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Points: 15921 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Tom Ozric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2018 at 01:36
All I can say is that Bill Ward abso-fecking-lutely SWINGS !! No-one comes close....
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Bill's awesome. One of the best drummers of the '70s, that's for certain.
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Symptom Of The Universe has a fabulous jazz coda.

Tony Iommi took a lot of Sabbath music from jazz; the harmony is extracted from jazz. he was a Joe Pass nut - quite understandable of course. A touch of volume, detuning, power chording and the Sabbath appeared.

Some of their earlier material - the EP that predates the first album is an odd mix of jazz and metal e.g. The Rebel. Surprised it did not appear as a bonus on the deluxe edition of the first album. The trumpets were brave... Imagine classic Sabbath with a brass section. Probably a good idea to not release it.

I have a bootleg from somewhere in Germany of their early jazz period. No discernible Ozzy vox but that was the nascent Sabbath.

Geezer's bass style is very jazz. And how about that ol' crooner Bill Ward on It's Alright. Quite the influence on Tony Bennett. And as for Iommi's jazzy acoustic guitar solos; it's this harmony that gives him this distinction.

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Points: 6039 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Snicolette Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2018 at 14:04
I worked with Bill Ward (in his personal management company) during his Ward One: Along the Way recording, in 1989 (released in 1990) which became quite progressive, in my opinion.  According to Bill, the BS boys liked to play jazz to warm up for rehearsals (of course, he's not playing with them right now).  And it is correct that he had a grounding in jazz drumming, as did many of his era.
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"Air Dance", say no more

I actually discovered it through PA.
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Bill Ward always had a certain looseness and swing that you didn't hear much in rock. And you can hear the influence in unexpected places sometimes. For sure Jussi Tegelman of Finnforest was digging Bill's groove.
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Points: 1940 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Prog Sothoth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2018 at 07:07
Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

"Air Dance", say no more

I actually discovered it through PA.

Exactly. The first thing that popped into my head.
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Odd time signatures don't make something "prog". 

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We covered their favourite tune with my band and turned one 4/4 section into a 7/8 one

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