Albums that you find very generic and boring

I've seen an almost one hour interview with him and it was not boring, he was not boring. 

Two more artists whose music I like are bashed here - Marillion and Steven Wilson. I guess I'm just not cool. 

micky wrote: got to go with anything by Camel haha..  the archtype of generic boring 4th division prog...

 

Something we agree on!

I'm with you Cristi . I really adore pretty much all of Marillion, but I can see how people might get bored with their music, I don't get bored. Marillion has a huge catalog, so it can be easy to bash them, just like Rush and Genesis. Huge catalog gives people fuel to nit pick because a few albums are not like the others so they get labeled boring or generic (still have no idea what that means), as opposed to an artist who has half the volume.

I've met Steven Wilson and he is far from boring, what people may not like is he has a "don't care about your opinion" attitude towards my music, or genre label. I appreciate that more than masking his opinion to satisfy the masses. And yea his interviews are pretty good, far from boring.

There is nothing wrong about a thread like this either. Problem is we could do more discussion about this at a bar rather than on a web forum trying to jot down our feelings in a short post....... 

Pallas made better music starting with their come back in the late 90s. Pendragon improved in the 90s. IQ started off well with their first two album and became poppier for a while, until 1993 when they did Ever and have been consistently good, sometimes great ever since. 

I enjoy Twelfth Night quite a bit, with or without Mann (there, I said it )

no, you wouldn't struggle, because there are differences 

ummm....

no perhaps not.. but we the PA's cool crew...

still love ya man...

Hi,

Sad ... specially when at the time they came up it was about the EXPERIMENT and had a lot less to do with "music" and "musically" than it did with seeing where things could go, regardless of the result, of which TAGO MAGO was culled from 20 hours of crazy fun.

A lot of the mid 20th century music was NOT about its musicality and what music was supposed to do, and then the audience kisses up to it. Rock music kinda changed that some, and now it is all about the kiss and no one gives a hoot about the music anyway ... it's all has become a favorite game, and some of the comments, sadly enough, only seem to show how little music history so many folks know.

I'm not the expert in that history, but it is really easy to see how music changed from the early 1900's all the way to 1999 ... and its many variations, due mainly to the development of the recording, which now was able to save things for many years for folks to listen to and evaluate in the future.

CAN, was, all the way to "LANDED", and experimental band, and after that Holger kinda left and it was no longer a great band as it had once been. Holger continued that in his solo albums, the first 4 or 5 of them being very crazy and total fun to listen to, and I imagine that he might even have wanted to do some of that with CAN but the others did not want to.

Sad that you even think it is not musically interesting ... neither was disco and the repeating thing ... and EGE BAMYASI is a heck of a FUNK album ... and if it were not for Damo, I think that many might have been thought of as some American Funk band ... and yet, because of his vocals it became something else.

Regarding the vocals which are not "musical", as you suggest, that is mostly intentional ... and its meant to be a counter point opposite the music to add something else. It is also an incredible exercise in vocal freedom, something that so few have done over the years, although it was done better and with a much more intense effect in film ... go watch Klaus Kinski in several of the early Werner Herzog films. There is no difference to his vocal freedom and expression and Werner was not going to be stupid and stop it when it was amazing to just be able to film it, although sometimes it was hard because of fast movement and vocal gymnastics that were too much for any audience. BUT, at that time, there were many theater groups travelling the academic circles doing a lot of experimental things, and VOICE was one of the most important ones, and it showed in rock music, however, the 'control" of it by commercial interests turned those vocal experiments into crap and now ... you and I and everyone else, think that those folks were stupid crazy and bizarre, and there was nothing bizarre about it ... it was an experiment, and it succeeded, and is remembered FONDLY (I might add) as "krautrock" although this is hardly fair since it was happening in film since the mid 60's (Godard/Truffaut were known as the new wave), and their freedom and experiments were well known and discussed, and then over to Germany, that had its own "renaissance" in the 60's ... and it was loud and clear in film and theater. 

What Damo, or Flora Purim, and others did vocally, is a rarity ... it's something that you just about have to take the attitude that you don't care, but you do, because it's all about what you feel inside and comes out, and sometimes you do not have words for it.

Of course it ha no musicality in it ... it's a new expression and we have NOT defined a musicality for it ... and sadly, with that attitude, we never will.

It's all music ... the issue being that we think that all music, regardless, has to be this way and that ... period ... and by doing that we're limiting it. Think about the development of the synthesizer ... it was considered dark and evil and the voice of a monster ... and look at it now! Almost the same thing.