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Originally posted by flyingveepixie flyingveepixie wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Novalis and the totally uninspired Hartwig Biereichel on drums. And I know I will get flak from Rush fans for this, but Neil Peart is also totally uninspired, though technically much better than Biereichel. But great technique does not make up for lack of inspiration. Peart is the main reason I don't like Rush.

Rush fans will of course point out the famous Neil Peart drum solo, but this solo actually only proves my point. It is played exactly the same way every time he plays it; not a bit of improvisation at all.


If there's one thing which makes a musician stand out from the crowd it's being able to play the same thing twice - so many musos just can't do that including some very famous ones.  As for Peart being an uninspired drummer - well, each to their own I suppose and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.  At least it keeps the discussion interesting...

I totally disagree. Being able to play the same thing twice is what playing composed music is all about, so it is very basic. But for a solo, where in my opinion a musician has the chance to let his imagination flow and improvise like hell, this is extremely boring and uninspired.

By the way: Most classical composers, for example Bach, Mozart and Beethoven, were great improvisors. Many of their compositions were originally improvised and only afterwards noted down. And THIS is what makes a great musician: To be able to remember what you improvised and write it down.


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The 3 Voivod albums with Jason Newstead on bass are almost as boring is the Mehallica albums he played on.



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Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

Dream Theater vocalist (what's his name) is totally insufferable for me (but I make an exception for Metropolis, love the album)


Yeah Labrie is cringeworthy these days.  I still love the earlier DT albums up to "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence" but after that they seemed to go so far downhill in terms of memorable songwriting although the musical virtuosity remains.  Labries live performances were never that great and I always thought he was a bit of a wailer on stage but nowadays he just makes me cringe and I can't watch him at all.




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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Novalis and the totally uninspired Hartwig Biereichel on drums. And I know I will get flak from Rush fans for this, but Neil Peart is also totally uninspired, though technically much better than Biereichel. But great technique does not make up for lack of inspiration. Peart is the main reason I don't like Rush.

Rush fans will of course point out the famous Neil Peart drum solo, but this solo actually only proves my point. It is played exactly the same way every time he plays it; not a bit of improvisation at all.


If there's one thing which makes a musician stand out from the crowd it's being able to play the same thing twice - so many musos just can't do that including some very famous ones.  As for Peart being an uninspired drummer - well, each to their own I suppose and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.  At least it keeps the discussion interesting...


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^ Ditto for me.....
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Originally posted by dwill123 dwill123 wrote:

I didn't like it when Adrian Belew joined King Crimson.  The music got a little silly.


I mostly agree, but have to say Discipline was an absolute gem (for me, anyway). After that, I think Belew exerted too much influence and moved the music in a direction I didn't care for.
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Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

Dream Theater vocalist (what's his name) is totally insufferable for me (but I make an exception for Metropolis, love the album)

try this again, minus the emoticon.. 

LaBrie was FAR from the only fatal affliction that group had. Just the most obvious and most fun to sh*t upon

As far as the topic itself and musicians, not singers.  Really hard to say.  I'd have to think back and think long to consider any and likely wouldn't be prog groups.

Now a more interesting side topic would be the absence of which musicians ruined bands moving forward. The shining example in my book being Phil Shulman and Gentle Giant who lost the plot and whose sound and style completely changed and NOT for the better.
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AWESOME!!!!!

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Dream Theater vocalist (what's his name) is totally insufferable for me (but I make an exception for Metropolis, love the album)
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I don't like Purple with anyone other than Gillan as singer.  
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Novalis and the totally uninspired Hartwig Biereichel on drums. And I know I will get flak from Rush fans for this, but Neil Peart is also totally uninspired, though technically much better than Biereichel. But great technique does not make up for lack of inspiration. Peart is the main reason I don't like Rush.

Rush fans will of course point out the famous Neil Peart drum solo, but this solo actually only proves my point. It is played exactly the same way every time he plays it; not a bit of improvisation at all.


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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Nad Sylvan ruined Agents of Mercy and pretty much every act he was in (including Anderson/Stolt) for me. Can't stand his choked and clogged voice.

Haha.. holy Sh-1t. Now that I'm listening to more and more of his songs, I totally got used to the nuances in the guy's vocals and I'm fine with his voice now. Who would've ever thought?
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Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

  

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

I think I would be bigger Opeth fan if they hadn´t used as much growl vocals as they did. I am really glad they have stopped it.

Growling pretty much ruins any song for me.
Same for me. But mostly I am not interested at all also the music that has growl vocals, Opeth is the only exception. Haven´t listened some of Opeth´s first albums, I believe they not for me...

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Well, Steve Perry took a band with some promise straight into sappy, saccharine arena rock hell.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Prog Sothoth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2018 at 08:50
90% of my choices would involve singers…but I’ll go for something a bit different.

 

Judas Priest had a string of terrific drummers in the 70’s, then David Holland joined in 1979. Maybe he had spent his talent-wad on Trapeze, but he was such a boring time-keeper with almost no fills, rolls, anything. Granted, Priest’s stuff during his tenure was often classic, including their biggest FM hard-rock hits as well as some of my favorites by the band, but I can only imagine how much better songs like “Freewheel Burning” and such would’ve sounded with a more adventurous drummer and not a dull metronome. Him leaving in the late 80’s helped the band’s brief resurgence with Painkiller.

Then the awful sex offences and imprisonment in 2004 made him such a pariah, his name was never brought up concerning the current re-interest in the band and their legacy. When he died this past January, nobody blinked an eye…it was like he never existed in the first place. If somehow Judas Priest wind up in the R&RHOF (I know, not that it matters), I doubt David Holland’s name will be included despite playing drums on the songs most people know them for. I try not to think of the guy while hearing “Breaking the Law”, “You’ve Got Another Thing Coming” and such, but after awhile I notice the plain drum beats, then think of the guy, and what he did later in life…Dead

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Nad Sylvan ruined Agents of Mercy and pretty much every act he was in (including Anderson/Stolt) for me. Can't stand his choked and clogged voice.
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Steven Wilson is kinda a grade-A d*** Party and it ruined any interest I had in his music. Used to own all Porcupine and solo, now none. It also didn't age well with me. 

I remember an old thread in these here domains, from an interview from Steven about The Flower Kings:
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88744

Honestly, looking back, Steven viewing The Flower Kings as the death of progressive music, though it is a harsh opinion, is JUST an opinion.

I certainly don't see his viewpoint on that progressive music nowadays needs to be needlessly heavy, infact that's what hasn't aged well with me. Doesn't sound organic to me, lots of the new heavier progressive albums. 

Eh. People can have Wilson. I'd say Hip-Hop is actually today's progressive (Donuts, King Geedorah, Madvillany, MM Food, Frank Ocean, Quasimoto, Viktor Vaughn..) But nobody would go for that, no.. 
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Originally posted by Larkstongue41 Larkstongue41 wrote:

I used to spin Pink Floyd albums regularly... before I listened to a few Gilmour and Waters interviews.

Heh. Recently, I feel kinda the same way after hearing some Neil Peart interviews. It doesn't make me want to listen to the music any less but it does make it a bit harder to separate the man from the art, as it were.  

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

I think I would be bigger Opeth fan if they hadn´t used as much growl vocals as they did. I am really glad they have stopped it.

Growling pretty much ruins any song for me.


Edited by Jeffro - July 19 2018 at 04:12
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I used to spin Pink Floyd albums regularly... before I listened to a few Gilmour and Waters interviews.
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I didn't like it when Adrian Belew joined King Crimson.  The music got a little silly.
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