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Poll Question: Which Non Big Six Prog Band for you?
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
17 [11.56%]
7 [4.76%]
24 [16.33%]
5 [3.40%]
4 [2.72%]
7 [4.76%]
21 [14.29%]
7 [4.76%]
33 [22.45%]
1 [0.68%]
11 [7.48%]
4 [2.72%]
0 [0.00%]
1 [0.68%]
5 [3.40%]
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Not sure whether there was ever a proper discussion in which the "Big 6" were "officially" agreed. What's the history of that category? I don't think it's based on sales only - have these six all outsold Rush, Radiohead and Kate Bush? I think it's a mix of popularity, innovation, influence, competence, longevity... As I wrote earlier, on that basis I'm just about fine with the selection although I have nothing to do with it. I also do agree that all the "best of the rest", be it GG, VDGG, Rush or Zappa, are clearly behind in at least one, rather more aspects.
Those three bands came after the first wave of prog.  I think the Big Six refers to the biggest from the first wave of prog.  This is why Genesis is sometimes excluded from the Big Six, as in this formulation.  Because their biggest success came as the first wave bands were waning. 

If we took a modern prog, esp prog metal, centric point of view, Rush would be more influential than all of the Big Six with the possible exception of Pink Floyd.  
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Not sure whether there was ever a proper discussion in which the "Big 6" were "officially" agreed. What's the history of that category? I don't think it's based on sales only - have these six all outsold Rush, Radiohead and Kate Bush? I think it's a mix of popularity, innovation, influence, competence, longevity... As I wrote earlier, on that basis I'm just about fine with the Big 6 selection although I have nothing to do with it. I also do agree that all the "best of the rest", be it GG, VDGG, Rush or Zappa, are clearly behind in at least one, rather more aspects.


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Originally posted by O666 O666 wrote:

There are a lot of "Great Big Bands" with "Masterpieces" in and out of this list. What is your definition about "Big Six"? Are we have a common opinion about it? Who said PF or ELP bigger than VDGG or PFM? Bigger or Biggest?! What is your opinion about genres? 


It's basically down to popularity. "Six most popular 70's progressive rock bands"; which covers how well-known they are/were everywhere, not just the forum here. I don't think we've come to a consensus yet here though LOL
Yes you right. I believe , Popularity is a important parameter but there are too many important measures too. 50% of musical (and other arts) parameters are technical parameters (theory and physical) from Composing , Song Writing ...to playing instruments and we can't ignore them. 
Honestly , I don't want to discuss about it hardly in this poll because I hate to change threads direction.. I vote to Camel today and I may vote to VDGG or Rush or Magma(as Bigs) tomorrow ! LOL
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

can't choose, Camel, Renaissance and Rush make it impossible (LOL). 

Grobschnitt? Why not Eloy, Jane, Novalis?

I agree that if you have Grobschnitt you have to have Eloy. But if you mention Jane and Novalis then it opens up a can of worms that would also have to include Hoelderlin, Birth Control, Anyone's Daughter, SFF and on and on. Then there's also the more krautrocky bands like Agitation Free, Neu, Kraftwerk, Can, AD2 etc. Nektar, Strawbs and Gong in particular though seem to be mysteriously absent.

I don't wanna open no can of worms (LOL), just wondering why Grobschnitt of all possible German bands. :)
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Originally posted by YESESIS YESESIS wrote:

For me Gentle Giant should be in the 'big six' of prog. I don't care how, make room for them somehow.. imo. 

Big Six as per the other poll is Yes, Genesis, Floyd, Tull, ELP, KC.  GG never outsold these bands. So they were never as popular as them, nor still are.  Even today, GG remains a far more polarising band than any of these.  Even those who don't like ELP still like the debut, likewise for KC.  Maybe if GG didn't have Derek Shulman as their singer, they would be less polarising but that's woulda shoulda coulda.
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And where is Barclay James Harvest, or Saga! If this Grobschnitt can make the cut then surely they should. 
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For me Gentle Giant should be in the 'big six' of prog. I don't care how, make room for them somehow.. imo. 
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I think Soft Machine is at least on par with all of the 'big six'
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VDGG/Magma.
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SM, VDGG, Magma 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

can't choose, Camel, Renaissance and Rush make it impossible (LOL). 

Grobschnitt? Why not Eloy, Jane, Novalis?

I agree that if you have Grobschnitt you have to have Eloy. But if you mention Jane and Novalis then it opens up a can of worms that would also have to include Hoelderlin, Birth Control, Anyone's Daughter, SFF and on and on. Then there's also the more krautrocky bands like Agitation Free, Neu, Kraftwerk, Can, AD2 etc. Nektar, Strawbs and Gong in particular though seem to be mysteriously absent.


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went for Camel as I like quite a few of their albums.  (just shaded it over Rush as I only like their material from 2112 to Signals)
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Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

VDGG > Gentle Giant > PFM
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Originally posted by O666 O666 wrote:

There are a lot of "Great Big Bands" with "Masterpieces" in and out of this list. What is your definition about "Big Six"? Are we have a common opinion about it? Who said PF or ELP bigger than VDGG or PFM? Bigger or Biggest?! What is your opinion about genres? 


It's basically down to popularity. "Six most popular 70's progressive rock bands"; which covers how well-known they are/were everywhere, not just the forum here. I don't think we've come to a consensus yet here though LOL
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^^^ I think it's fairly obvious that Floyd and ELP sold more than VDGG, PFM et al. I'm reading 'Big' as in who shifted the most units. Although, I suppose you cold argue that King Crimson were top of the 'second' divsion, and the likes of Supertramp, Rush and Moody Blues sold more than they did, but whatever..

My fave from the list is Rush, closely followed by VDGG, Supertramp and Moody Blues.
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There are a lot of "Great Big Bands" with "Masterpieces" in and out of this list. What is your definition about "Big Six"? Are we have a common opinion about it? Who said PF or ELP bigger than VDGG or PFM? Bigger or Biggest?! What is your opinion about genres? 
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Camel and Magma in the Big Eight

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No point for me to choose between Magma, Soft Machine or Van der Graaf Generator but I voted for Magma anyway because their huge quantity of quality releases are nearly unmatched. Among the rest I particularly enjoy Gentle Giant, Camel, Caravan and the there-four first albums by each of the italian bands + selected material by the rest. 
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Camel and Magma in the Big Eight
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