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^^^ Exactly

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I think people need to get over the member who said that King Crimson were ‘overrated’, I know I have at this point. I disagreed, but I’ve moved on and so should everyone else. We all have a right to our opinions no matter how ‘wrong’ they may seem to other people.

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Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

^^Those King Crimson opinions is sounding to made from a guy who hasn´t really listened Crimson. Sounding more of that there is something in Fripp as a person that irritates. Have to say I am not interested any band that someone is thinking they´re "Gods of it". I could think Dream Theater guys would think themselves prog gods.

Again, I am not saying everybody has to like King Crimson, but it´s sad when these "Overrated"-threads people are saying their opinions just their subjective views, not even trying to make some objectivity in them.

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Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

^It's ok ....he's just  sore because The Graf have lost so many polls lately.


LOL

What'd VDGG get, like 1 victory out of 6 polls?
As far as I know he has done his Crimson terror for years here (I think he quite recently said he has written very negative review from in the court of, really haven´t read it and I will not). But not really my problem, if he like to be the idiot of this place, just keep going on.

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Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

^^ To be fair, Emerson, Lake and Palmer were never darlings of prog listeners and I don't think that they are that great either but they certainly are not as overrated as say King Crimson.I mean King Crimson are so overrated it's not funny. People here seem to slobber over In the Court of the Crimson King and Red. I mean those records aren't bad perse but they really pale in comparison to the best Yes, Genesis, Van der Graaf Generator and Gentle Giant albums. Wow! It's not even a contest really



Yes..and some other people 'slobber' over VDGG......isn't life weird?

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Life is very weird indeed

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King Crimson overrated?! Are you trying to start a war on PA?! LOL (I almost did the same with my DSoTM thread).


Yes, Crimson are overrated by Prog Archives and Prog Fans alike.
King Crimson is not overrated. it´s just you who have problem with that Crimson is great band and you don´t understand it. Hope you someday understand that fact and stop terrorizing every Crimson thread.

Terrorizing?? WTF???

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Originally posted by Cambus741 Cambus741 wrote:

Should I vote according to how much I subjectively  like (or not) the band?  or who I perceive to be not quite as good musically or maybe nor as influential as the other?
To me it´s just doesn´t make any sense to vote in this kind of thread just what one likes and not like. When talking about some band is overrated I think you have to think also how´s that band influenced into genre it´s in or of course whole popular music.

I voted ELP just because those others did everything much better than ELP. ELP didn´t make first progalbum. They didn´t make any particural, personal experiments in their albums, also their music just didn´t develop into any new direction from the first album. What they gave to prog was ,melodic songs of Lake and sometimes really irritated egoraising improvisations of Emerson (I also think he´s taste of synth sounds was awful). But still, I can listen them sometimes, really not hate them. I just think if some progband is overrated, it is ELP, just because they got much more attention than many other progbands in seventies that made much greater albums.
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Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

I said...it is just my opinion...nobody needs to agree. I dont think my comment about the coldness of Fripp music is absurd. I have several albums of KC and i know what i was saying. They have good things but for me they are overrated. You are right about Wetton Brufford etc musicianship...Fripp LETS them to improvise..you said the word...First album was different maybe because McDonald i dont really know but i can feel a deep thing there that i cant find after it (with some exceptions of course). Anyway it is just my opinion..a subjective one not a truth.


I guess I partially agree... and partially disagree. I understand where you are coming from... about the coldness, yeah, there's a lot of it in their albums. But often enough, that's one of the factors that helps them make great music, if you're in the mood. Still, there are several examples of very emotional music from them after their debut (though perhaps Epitaph, from the debut, would be their best example at writing something really emmotional). However, I would easily add "King Ruppert Awakes / Bolero" (specially for Bolero) for something very emotional (and actually, different from whatever else they have done), and Exiles... and Starless, which was already mentioned. As for repeating themselves... actually, sometimes I have the feeling they built most of their career around 21s Century Schizoid Man... and then Larks Tongues in Aspic (or perhaps more accuratley, Sailor's Tale, since that one came first). But they usually have something new within their albums for a change.
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Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Ok, I must say that I like many things of KC, but I feel that this music lacks from feeling (not all of course but as majority) and you are right, my opinion is subjective of course, that's the point in polls. Trying to be objective, I must recognize that KC has their own style, and made many innovations and additions in prog rock history. But the truth is that FOR ME they are overrated as artists. What I do not understand is how many people say things much more hard to other bands (Genesis is the main example, or maybe ELP) and I can not give my opinion on King Crimson...are they a dogma? sincerely I do not understand the point.

You’re free to voice your opinion about any band you want just as I’m free to tell you that I disagree with it. ELP gets dumped on because they’re inconsistent. They made a few great albums (Brain Salad Surgery and their self-titled debut being my favorites), but, other than these two albums, I fail to connect with them. My disagreement with you over King Crimson should come as no surprise since so many of us consider them a part of the cream of the crop. Also, I don’t see many here being hard on Genesis. In fact, I see quite the reverse. Genesis are, without a doubt, one of the greats and one of my personal favorites.

Look Mirror, on my last post I was not answering to you, and I think your last post is nice and I appreciate it. Im not against disagreement, and I said this in my first post, how to be? if it is in the essence of freedom, the biggest value for human being IMO...But Im very conscious that KC is one of the more (or mainly the most) appreciated band here in PA (mainly to the older members I guess), and was not my intention to be disrepectful, and if I was, I apogologise. About Genesis, Im talking about it as an overall thing in PA (mainly after Gabriel or Hackett departure...in fact Hackett is for me another overrated artist, despiting I like and love several things from him), but  again it is just freedom of opinion. This year Im in a slow journey to revisit early KC albums, I was with Islands last months, and sincerely I found some great moments, but again I cant find this "sacred" special thing I can find on the first album. But I like Islands, really like many  moments. Anyway what Im saying about, and the overrated issue, can be read aside of objective truths (or guessed objective truhts)...I know KC is on the very roots of Progressive Rock, I know Fripp as an innovator, Brufford as a virtuous..., maybe my subjectivity is running by different paths that objectivity in this case, I accept this.

I think you’re clearly making a mountain out of a molehill here. Let’s just agree to disagree and move on, shall we?

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Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Ok, I must say that I like many things of KC, but I feel that this music lacks from feeling (not all of course but as majority) and you are right, my opinion is subjective of course, that's the point in polls. Trying to be objective, I must recognize that KC has their own style, and made many innovations and additions in prog rock history. But the truth is that FOR ME they are overrated as artists. What I do not understand is how many people say things much more hard to other bands (Genesis is the main example, or maybe ELP) and I can not give my opinion on King Crimson...are they a dogma? sincerely I do not understand the point.

You’re free to voice your opinion about any band you want just as I’m free to tell you that I disagree with it. ELP gets dumped on because they’re inconsistent. They made a few great albums (Brain Salad Surgery and their self-titled debut being my favorites), but, other than these two albums, I fail to connect with them. My disagreement with you over King Crimson should come as no surprise since so many of us consider them a part of the cream of the crop. Also, I don’t see many here being hard on Genesis. In fact, I see quite the reverse. Genesis are, without a doubt, one of the greats and one of my personal favorites.

Look Mirror, on my last post I was not answering to you, and I think your last post is nice and I appreciate it. Im not against disagreement, and I said this in my first post, how to be? if it is in the essence of freedom, the biggest value for human being IMO...But Im very conscious that KC is one of the more (or mainly the most) appreciated band here in PA (mainly to the older members I guess), and was not my intention to be disrepectful, and if I was, I apogologise. About Genesis, Im talking about it as an overall thing in PA (mainly after Gabriel or Hackett departure...in fact Hackett is for me another overrated artist, despiting I like and love several things from him), but  again it is just freedom of opinion. This year Im in a slow journey to revisit early KC albums, I was with Islands last months, and sincerely I found some great moments, but again I cant find this "sacred" special thing I can find on the first album. But I like Islands, really like many  moments. Anyway what Im saying about, and the overrated issue, can be read aside of objective truths (or guessed objective truhts)...I know KC is on the very roots of Progressive Rock, I know Fripp as an innovator, Brufford as a virtuous..., maybe my subjectivity is running by different paths that objectivity in this case, I accept this.

I think you’re clearly making a mountain out of a molehill here. Let’s just agree to disagree and move on, shall we?
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Easy - has to be ELP.  I can never understand why they are considered one of the "Big Six".
 
They're certainly not in my "Big Six" when there are much better prog bands out there.
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Should I vote according to how much I subjectively  like (or not) the band?  or who I perceive to be not quite as good musically or maybe nor as influential as the other?
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Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Ok, I must say that I like many things of KC, but I feel that this music lacks from feeling (not all of course but as majority) and you are right, my opinion is subjective of course, that's the point in polls. Trying to be objective, I must recognize that KC has their own style, and made many innovations and additions in prog rock history. But the truth is that FOR ME they are overrated as artists. What I do not understand is how many people say things much more hard to other bands (Genesis is the main example, or maybe ELP) and I can not give my opinion on King Crimson...are they a dogma? sincerely I do not understand the point.

You’re free to voice your opinion about any band you want just as I’m free to tell you that I disagree with it. ELP gets dumped on because they’re inconsistent. They made a few great albums (Brain Salad Surgery and their self-titled debut being my favorites), but, other than these two albums, I fail to connect with them. My disagreement with you over King Crimson should come as no surprise since so many of us consider them a part of the cream of the crop. Also, I don’t see many here being hard on Genesis. In fact, I see quite the reverse. Genesis are, without a doubt, one of the greats and one of my personal favorites.

Look Mirror, on my last post I was not answering to you, and I think your last post is nice and I appreciate it. Im not against disagreement, and I said this in my first post, how to be? if it is in the essence of freedom, the biggest value for human being IMO...But Im very conscious that KC is one of the more (or mainly the most) appreciated band here in PA (mainly to the older members I guess), and was not my intention to be disrepectful, and if I was, I apogologise. About Genesis, Im talking about it as an overall thing in PA (mainly after Gabriel or Hackett departure...in fact Hackett is for me another overrated artist, despiting I like and love several things from him), but  again it is just freedom of opinion. This year Im in a slow journey to revisit early KC albums, I was with Islands last months, and sincerely I found some great moments, but again I cant find this "sacred" special thing I can find on the first album. But I like Islands, really like many  moments. Anyway what Im saying about, and the overrated issue, can be read aside of objective truths (or guessed objective truhts)...I know KC is on the very roots of Progressive Rock, I know Fripp as an innovator, Brufford as a virtuous..., maybe my subjectivity is running by different paths that objectivity in this case, I accept this.
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Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

Ok, I must say that I like many things of KC, but I feel that this music lacks from feeling (not all of course but as majority) and you are right, my opinion is subjective of course, that's the point in polls. Trying to be objective, I must recognize that KC has their own style, and made many innovations and additions in prog rock history. But the truth is that FOR ME they are overrated as artists. What I do not understand is how many people say things much more hard to other bands (Genesis is the main example, or maybe ELP) and I can not give my opinion on King Crimson...are they a dogma? sincerely I do not understand the point.

You’re free to voice your opinion about any band you want just as I’m free to tell you that I disagree with it. ELP gets dumped on because they’re inconsistent. They made a few great albums (Brain Salad Surgery and their self-titled debut being my favorites), but, other than these two albums, I fail to connect with them. My disagreement with you over King Crimson should come as no surprise since so many of us consider them a part of the cream of the crop. Also, I don’t see many here being hard on Genesis. In fact, I see quite the reverse. Genesis are, without a doubt, one of the greats and one of my personal favorites.
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Ok, I must say that I like many things of KC, but I feel that this music lacks from feeling (not all of course but as majority) and you are right, my opinion is subjective of course, that's the point in polls. Trying to be objective, I must recognize that KC has their own style, and made many innovations and additions in prog rock history. But the truth is that FOR ME they are overrated as artists. What I do not understand is how many people say things much more hard to other bands (Genesis is the main example, or maybe ELP) and I can not give my opinion on King Crimson...are they a dogma? sincerely I do not understand the point.
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^^Those King Crimson opinions is sounding to made from a guy who hasn´t really listened Crimson. Sounding more of that there is something in Fripp as a person that irritates. Have to say I am not interested any band that someone is thinking they´re "Gods of it". I could think Dream Theater guys would think themselves prog gods.

Again, I am not saying everybody has to like King Crimson, but it´s sad when these "Overrated"-threads people are saying their opinions just their subjective views, not even trying to make some objectivity in them.
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

I can't understand the hatred for ELP

  1. They release  a very good debut, better than Yes, Genesis, JT.
  2. They dared to play Pictures at an Exhibition in front of guys who didn't even knew who Mussorgsky was and succeeded.
  3. Their next two albums are top for any Prog listener,
That's enough for a great career.

They split for some years and never were the same, but that's a common problem
I don´t hate ELP, as I don´t hate any music (well maybe some of today´s electro) but here´s my opinions about your three sentences:

1. I think first Yes & Jethro albums are better than first ELP. Like also more first Genesis, but can´t said it better than first ELP

2. I was really disappointed, when understood they really left much out from the original, great Pictures at an Exhibition. I don´t believe Tuiluries, Bydlo, Ballet of Unhatched Chicks, Samuel Goldenberg & Scmuyle, the Market Place at Limoges & the Catacombs are so compilicated, that they couldn´t have played them also, if they just wanted. But what they did they did great way, it´s my favourite ELP-album, I think they should have named it "Excerpts from Pictures at Exhibition".

4. Their next two albums are really not top of mine, Trilogy is ok, also Brain Salad has some great moments, but also really lot quite awful music.
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Originally posted by genbanks genbanks wrote:

I said...it is just my opinion...nobody needs to agree. I dont think my comment about the coldness of Fripp music is absurd. I have several albums of KC and i know what i was saying. They have good things but for me they are overrated. You are right about Wetton Brufford etc musicianship...Fripp LETS them to improvise..you said the word...First album was different maybe because McDonald i dont really know but i can feel a deep thing there that i cant find after it (with some exceptions of course). Anyway it is just my opinion..a subjective one not a truth.

Well, I understand it was your opinion and you need to understand that I disagreed with it. There is no way any of us can offer an objective opinion here as our personal preferences will permeate our thoughts regardless. The thing about King Crimson is they changed styles often and what was heard on In the Court of the Crimson King is something that they weren’t preoccupied with capturing again, because they’ve already done that kind of album, so any band worth their salt will continue to grow and expand. As to whether we’ll like it, is a different matter completely.
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I said...it is just my opinion...nobody needs to agree. I dont think my comment about the coldness of Fripp music is absurd. I have several albums of KC and i know what i was saying. They have good things but for me they are overrated. You are right about Wetton Brufford etc musicianship...Fripp LETS them to improvise..you said the word...First album was different maybe because McDonald i dont really know but i can feel a deep thing there that i cant find after it (with some exceptions of course). Anyway it is just my opinion..a subjective one not a truth.
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KING CRIMSON I have no doubts, with the exception of their first album, a masterpiece, then they were a sort of prog cliche, with some good or excelent things but not enough to be a prog gods. I know many will desagree with my opinion, but just my taste. King Crimson is just Fripp, and Fripp music (IMO) has not feeling, is cold and technical (with some exceptions as Starless for example).

I completely disagree! What an absurd thing to say that Fripp is ‘unfeeling, cold, and technical’. I guess Fripp's solo in The Night Watch, for example, from Starless and Bible Black is straight from the refrigerator? Disapprove Also, the comment about them being a ‘prog cliche’ is laughable. It’s like you’ve never even heard a King Crimson past In the Court of the Crimson King. King Crimson are more than ‘just Fripp’. They’re whoever is in the band at the time as they’re a collective of musicians who listen to each other not just follow Fripp who actually, in many cases, takes a backseat and lets Wetton, Cross, Belew, Bruford, et. al. do their thing.


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KING CRIMSON I have no doubts, with the exception of their first album, a masterpiece, then they were a sort of prog cliche, with some good or excelent things but not enough to be a prog gods. I know many will desagree with my opinion, but just my taste. King Crimson is just Fripp, and Fripp music (IMO) has not feeling, is cold and technical (with some exceptions as Starless for example).
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