Is Prog Underrated?

ahhh... you just made me feel bad Pedro... like I would kicking a little puppy hahah.  I hope you'll still love me though...

moshkito wrote: micky wrote: ... Today's listener in large part, today's youth, can give a sh*t about tags and labels. Is is prog.. or not? Doesn't matter to most listeners today .. only what matters is if the music is good. Which again brings us back to the ills that prog occasionally has... forgetting that in the end...  forget the art, the complexity, virtuosity and all that jazz... what matters is if you can write good music that connects with people.  ... My biggest concern here is that we learn to stop doing the same thing, and help improve the standing of the music. But, the main issue here, including some admins, is that they do not think that this is any better than some kind of blah and blah pop music, and that it does not deserve the accreditation that it is getting 50 years later. yeah sorry Pedro...  as much as I like prog. I'll never think or agree that prog is any better or more deserving of adulation than other forms of music like pop.  It is different and talks to different types of listeners and the needs of those listeners. It forms a mere piece of the larger pie that is 'music' and the place it occupies in our lives.  This smacks of the Evangelical nature of prog and its fans and its fans I spoke of yesterday.  Hey enjoy it if you wish, but I find the notion that others are somehow addled or missing something if they don't see the value in it, or god forbid.. should be converted to become fans to be highly amusing, and a bit disturbing. As the Rachel flowers example shows, of Keith's piece of music, there isn't a SINGLE PIECE of these progressive pieces that we love, that CAN NOT get the same treatment, and all of a sudden, sound ... wow ... that is amazing, and even things like Frank Zappa, end up sounding extraordinary, all of a sudden. I do not understand the lack of respect for so much music, and (at least) I am not so stuck up as to think that all pop music is crap and does not even deserve the thought that most of it is "music" ... but I do accept that somewhere along the way, we have created a standard for what the definitions of "music" are in music history, and the 3 and 4 minute songs, have been considered simple exercises, and not serious music. disagree with you strongly there Pedro...  for the simple reason that I hold music and views of it to be highly personal and individual.  What is serious music to you can be, and surely is, different from what others will hold it to be. Do you think that urban music is less serious in nature, or to its listeners than prog is to you.  I highly doubt that. That's not to say that most "progressive" and "prog" has to be 12 minutes long, or a longer piece, but it does say that the musical spread over that amount of time, should/could be seriously better and more varied than what a pop song in the top ten has to offer. NONE of the "progressive" or "prog" music really even fits in the "top ten" or pop music, and that is something that, somehow, we just don't get and keep thinking that it must be because the music is not good, and does not deserve the attention that it is getting, specially from us. We have to stop thinking that what we're talking about is not valuable music ... if it weren't, none of us would even mention it 50 years later, or consider yummy yummy I got crap in my tummy is worth more attention than Genesis, Jethro Tull, Yes, Pink Floyd, King Crimson and such ... and other than JT and late Genesis, none of these were a "pop band" at all!  valuable? Of course it is.. but to us as individuals.. not in any kind of larger sense or comparison against other forms of music..

moshkito wrote: ExittheLemming wrote: ... You can have fun, be youthful, energetic, soulful and passionate whilst still thinking. You must be an advertising executive's wet dream...Oblivious, the fragrance for south of the (red)neck. There is nothing more pitiful than a nostalgia for something that never happened in the first place. I don't know anyone whose opinions I respect who takes Prog seriously or think it remotely intellectual. They would however, kick your disingenuous ass in a bar brawl (no contest) Kinda weird to see this, and realize that the "progressive" and "prog" that we discuss here is not an American thing that you would discuss in a bar, but something that you also would discuss in a Paris Café, or some sort of place in Rome, or Tokyo ... and I'm sorry ... the town that your bar belongs in, does not fit in this discussion because they only know one kind of music. In NY, many bars, and even other night clubs (usually) have a decent respect for other musicians and music. In SF, this is not an issue either. But it will likely be a problem in Podunk, Askansaw or Needles, Tennessee where they think that their country music is GOD and the rest of music is crap, anyway ... and why the heck, in the furthest reaches of my mind and universe, would you be silly enough (or drunk) to even be discussing "prog" or "progressive" over there? I am thinking that your ideas need some readjusting. It may not be a discussion here, but I'm not sure you see/realize the possibilities elsewhere. Prog/Progressive is no different than many art scenes out there the world over. We might not be as big/famous as most rap ... but then, we have lasted over 50 years, and I think that most rap will be forgotten and not played out loud and clear, like we -- and others no doubt -- DO!

yeah.. it is bad stuff man.  Got hit by a capacitor bank in a phase inverter we were working on. Funny he was kidding me on being on my 10th life.. but I do have 20 years in the trade, one war, one drug and alcohol filled recovery from said experience, and to top it off one demented red headed Satanist ex-wife on him.. anyhow he considered himself only on his 3rd.  First thing I said to him when he got off the floor was... welcome to your 4th hahahaha

Edited by micky - April 14 2018 at 16:06

yeah..  but you might have missed...  I am not 10 feet tall and bulletproof.. I had to go to the ER last fall. Thought I was having a stroke, heart attack or some sh*t like that... was nothing of the sort.. apparantly nerural related and something with a disk in my neck...but did get me on the wagon for several months till I smacked myself and reminded myself that I am likely to die in a explosion or get fried much sooner than hard livin' is going to do me in. So f**k it... enjoy life while you have it.. I saw my best friend get electrocuted a couple of weeks ago Jim.. damned thing I've seen.. and I've seen some bad sh*t.. thankfully I was there and kicked off off of the ladder and broke teh circuit or he would have been a dead man. Trick is.. we usually work alone. Hard to really worry about the years in advance when you could easily be gone today or tommorrow.

yeah that is one of my favorites... the bridges that aren't bridges one

Finnforest wrote: Very funny.  I have not encountered one Captcha at all recently. The moment I respond to the Mick....a double Captcha lands on me.  WTF

Very funny. 

I have not encountered one Captcha at all recently.

The moment I respond to the Mick....a double Captcha lands on me.  WTF

amen brother.. and damn good to see you around Jim. Been a bit...