Russian chemical attack on UK

as to your point which I snipped earlier..  I hear that all the time talking politics which some of the younger guys I work with Steve. In that I think you are dead on... the very real sense that all politicians are equally corrupt and evil which of course is a large part of why we got Trump discounting the bigot, racist, nativist, fundie moronic vote which does make up a large percentage of the GOP party and his supporters.. but not enough to win a general election. It took otherwise reasonable people to vote for him for him to win. 

That sense of perhaps an outsider being a good choice.  Of course the notion is as laughable and naive and ignnorant as thinking that hiring a plumber to come wire your home is a good idea and works.  You wouldn't do it in your home.. yet they thought it was a good idea for choosing a President.

 Just completely out of touch economically which is why Clinton beat him...

the last one Jean... Bush light is we like to call him.. Bush classic had the smarts enough to know when to stop us in 1991. Oh we were left scratching our heads at the time as to why we were being stopped.. but he and his his advisors knew what his son (and the neo-cons in power behind the throne) did not that removing Saddam and attempting nation building was a recipe for disaster in the middle east.

hmmm....   good thing reality is not black and white but many shades of grey  or I would have, as I started to several times, written long posts with my problems with all 3 of those comparisons.

In a general sense.. perhaps... but in a deeper sense..  they don't really equate to me Steve

By the same token, it's also possible to both despise Putin and also entertain the possibility that the spy attack was staged and not of Russian doing.  To be precise, I said ENTERTAIN, not that that is what happened. We've already been over this territory in the Cold War and there is no reason to believe one side more than the other unless the evidence strongly indicates as much.  You said above that you don't mind if Putin is falsely implicated and that is not a convincing argument because even if that did happen, there at least ought to be some sound strategic consideration behind Britain doing so. Well, what is it?  I don't trust Putin at all but this kind of shrill scare mongering isn't going to get NATO anywhere.  Well, at least they shouldn't advertised the fact that they screwed a Russian election to keep Yelstin in power if they wanted to receive more benefit of doubt than Russia.  That's about the stupidest and most hubristic thing anybody could do.  And Russia is paying them back, with the difference that Putin being a KGB operator understands the merits of plausible denial.

hear HEAR!!!! *clappy emoticon and a Hearty emoticon*

Who cares if there is proof or not... past deeds speak loud enough.   this is all you need to know about sweet ol' innocent wrongly persecuted in the court of public opinion and western governments Putin.

 Yes they are dead because of Putin and his expansionist policies.. No Putin trying to reclaim lost Soviet territory. Those beautiful children are still alive

So as far as I'm concerned... if he gets framed.. or wrongly accused. Who cares.. f**k him.  He scares me even more than Trump... at least he is gone in two years...just as dangerous.. but FAR more intelligent and devious.