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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2018 at 02:25
Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:


Your negative attitude is not the problem, Friede: It's your often borderline insulting remarks that bugs many here. Nobody's perfect, me first, but I sometimes wonder what is the reason for your heavy hand?

My two cents.

I never insulted anyone here but have been really insulted here once, which led to Jean and me not visiting this site for about a year. My Asperger syndrome (a mild form of autism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome; the part about the restrictive behavior pattern and interests is not true for me though, and neither is it for Jean, who has this syndrome as well, which is perhaps what attracted us to each other when we met; we felt we finally had met a likewise soul).

I probably acquired the syndrome because I was in hospital for a long time when I was between two and three years old (which is when kids learn their communication skills). Jean probably acquired hers because as a kid she used to be stoned all the time due to all the sweet smoke in the house (her parents were hippies).

I do for example have the odd behaviour of humming little tunes, just 3-6 notes, between sentences. Jean on the other hand rarely looks people into the eyes when she speaks to them; she looks over one of their shoulders as if she sees something extremely interesting in the distance; thankfully we both managed to no longer have these habits with each other.

Believe me, our first meeting  was very odd (we actually had two first meetings, but that's a complicated story. Only the second meeting was téte-à-téte though; the first meeting was in a group).

We two are definitely an odd couple - two lesbians with Asperger syndrome and alopecia universalis.

So if anyone ever feels affronted by me (once again, I never used a direct insult) I apologize. Communicating is a difficult skill, especially for me, and online it is even more difficult. I learned to interpret the little visual and audible signs in direct communication meanwhile, though I am definitely not as good at that as most other people. But without these signs I am completely at bay. It is definitely not intended.

Edited by BaldFriede - April 06 2018 at 04:08


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2018 at 06:11
the interesting thing is that when you have the Asperger syndrome, or shortly AS, you have the feeling that no-one understands you, although it is just the opposite: you don't understand anyone else. this resulted in both Friede and me having certain speech habits, but just on the opposite end of the scale. Friede developed the habit of speaking extremely loud out of desperation because she had the feeling no-one understood her. I on the other hand developed the habit of speaking extremely quietly out of resignation because they never understood me anyway.

interestingly we two understood each other immediately, perhaps because we did not have to look for hidden signs in the other, so by and by we got rid of our speaking habits and now talk to each other in a normal tone of voice. however, when we speak to others we fall back into our speech patterns


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2018 at 06:46
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Here is the complete list of neo-prog bands I like:

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Quite a list, eh?


I (almost) completely agree, except my list would include:
  • Asturias (Electric version)
  • Gerard
  • The Psychedelic Ensemble
  • Yuka and Chronoship
none of which deserve to be mis-classified as neo-prog, but because they are, I claim these to be THE BEST NEO-PROG bands ever!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2018 at 07:58
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:


Your negative attitude is not the problem, Friede: It's
your often borderline insulting remarks that bugs many here. Nobody's
perfect, me first, but I sometimes wonder what is the reason for your
heavy hand?

My two cents.

I never insulted anyone here
but have been really insulted here once, which led to Jean and me not
visiting this site for about a year. My Asperger syndrome (a mild form
of autism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome;
the part about the restrictive behavior pattern and interests is not
true for me though, and neither is it for Jean, who has this syndrome as
well, which is perhaps what attracted us to each other when we met; we
felt we finally had met a likewise soul).

I probably acquired the syndrome because I was in hospital for a long time when I was between two and three years old (which is when kids learn their communication skills). Jean probably acquired hers because as a kid she used to be stoned all the time due to all the sweet smoke in the house (her parents were hippies).

I do for example have
the odd behaviour of humming little tunes, just 3-6 notes, between
sentences. Jean on the other hand rarely looks people into the eyes when
she speaks to them; she looks over one of their shoulders as if she
sees something extremely interesting in the distance; thankfully we both
managed to no longer have these habits with each other.

Believe
me, our first meeting  was very odd (we actually had two first meetings,
but that's a complicated story. Only the second meeting was téte-à-téte
though; the first meeting was in a group).

We two are definitely an odd couple - two lesbians with Asperger syndrome and alopecia universalis.

So
if anyone ever feels affronted by me (once again, I never used a direct
insult) I apologize. Communicating is a difficult skill, especially for
me, and online it is even more difficult. I learned to interpret the
little visual and audible signs in direct communication meanwhile,
though I am definitely not as good at that as most other people. But
without these signs I am completely at bay. It is definitely not
intended.


Thanks for the reply, much appreciated.

Have a nice day, Friede.

Edited by Barbu - April 06 2018 at 08:01
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2018 at 08:22
Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:


Your negative attitude is not the problem, Friede: It's
your often borderline insulting remarks that bugs many here. Nobody's
perfect, me first, but I sometimes wonder what is the reason for your
heavy hand?

My two cents.

I never insulted anyone here
but have been really insulted here once, which led to Jean and me not
visiting this site for about a year. My Asperger syndrome (a mild form
of autism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome;
the part about the restrictive behavior pattern and interests is not
true for me though, and neither is it for Jean, who has this syndrome as
well, which is perhaps what attracted us to each other when we met; we
felt we finally had met a likewise soul).

I probably acquired the syndrome because I was in hospital for a long time when I was between two and three years old (which is when kids learn their communication skills). Jean probably acquired hers because as a kid she used to be stoned all the time due to all the sweet smoke in the house (her parents were hippies).

I do for example have
the odd behaviour of humming little tunes, just 3-6 notes, between
sentences. Jean on the other hand rarely looks people into the eyes when
she speaks to them; she looks over one of their shoulders as if she
sees something extremely interesting in the distance; thankfully we both
managed to no longer have these habits with each other.

Believe
me, our first meeting  was very odd (we actually had two first meetings,
but that's a complicated story. Only the second meeting was téte-à-téte
though; the first meeting was in a group).

We two are definitely an odd couple - two lesbians with Asperger syndrome and alopecia universalis.

So
if anyone ever feels affronted by me (once again, I never used a direct
insult) I apologize. Communicating is a difficult skill, especially for
me, and online it is even more difficult. I learned to interpret the
little visual and audible signs in direct communication meanwhile,
though I am definitely not as good at that as most other people. But
without these signs I am completely at bay. It is definitely not
intended.


Thanks for the reply, much appreciated.

Have a nice day, Friede.
I also thank you for your response as it does add additional perspective to some of your posts.  The insults may be unintentional but by insulting certain bands or genres you are indirectly insulting fans of these other bands or genres.  (Unlikely micky who does nothing to mask his insults.)  Personally I am a proponent of "treating others how you would like to be treated" and "if you have nothing nice to say then say nothing at all".  I am fairly thick-skinned about things posted on the internet, but after awhile certain people or certain things rub me the wrong way and I can get pissy about it.  Real life is negative enough without having to encounter negativity in my "safe place", so to speak. 

And for whatever it is worth, I am a fan of Guru Guru and Mani Neumeier as a result of your recommendations, so my list of favorite Krautrock band does actually have some entries on it. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2018 at 08:34
It should of course be self evident to any decent human being that tolerance and empathy are the only appropriate responses when dealing with those who claim to suffer from developmental disorders like Aspergers.
I have been a member of these forums for 11 years but cannot recall a single instance where the entity that fashions itself as BaldFriede has ever divulged this information before.  It could be construed with complete justification that this is really none of anyone's business but it begs the question: Are we expected to temper all our posts in the expectation that the recipient may be restricted in their ability to respond in what is construed as an appropriate manner by the mental health profession?

(Feel free to quote the posts and I will happily eat my humble pie)

Edited by ExittheLemming - April 06 2018 at 14:44
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2018 at 14:04
Originally posted by Squonk19 Squonk19 wrote:

Any pointers album-wise? What are their best three, perhaps?

The three best Twelfth Night albums: 

Live at the Target (1980) – TN is an instrumental 4tet on this! Two shorter pieces, a short epic, and a side-length excursion.

Fact and Fiction (1982) – The one that put them on the map, led by the lyrical genius of Geoff Mann, whose vocals are wholly unlike Fish/Nicholls.

Live and Let Live (1984) – A blistering live statement that doubles as Geoff's farewell. 

If you really enjoy the above, check out the first studio album with Geoff Mann, called Smiling at Grief. All of the above is on YT. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2018 at 16:10


Probably their single best song:





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^ Many. thanks, Verslibre
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2018 at 16:24
You bet! Let me know what you think. I know TN isn't for everyone, and those are longer tracks, but IMO they're awesome.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2018 at 17:17
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:



Probably their single best song:



Love this band!.....Clive Mitten has written a brand new album called The age of Insanity - C - Live Collective

Bloody briiliant indeed!!....  Highly recommended indeed...  2nd album out in the fall...Cool
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2018 at 13:18
Originally posted by TheDankCookie TheDankCookie wrote:

I would like some people to tell me what are some good Neo Prog Bands. I like Marillion, what are some other bands like Marillion? Also tell me what your favorite Neo Prog bands are?
You're asking about what Neo-Prog is as good as Marillion? and you haven't even listened to Marillion's own side projects?

Edison's Children's 1st album features Every Member h, Mark Kelly, Steve Hogarth, Steve Rothery and of course Pete Trewavas (it's his band) AND Fish's Lead Guitarist Robin Boult. if you can find it. "In The Last Waking Moments..." is a rarity now and very hard to find. No other album in the world features every member of Marillion (and Fish's lead guitarist) than that one.

The 2nd album "The Final Breath Before November however is even better and features the son of Neil Armstrong 1st Man on the Moon Rick Armstrong. 

You won't find any better neo-prog than that man. Stop looking outside the box and look in your own backyard!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2018 at 15:33
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

You bet! Let me know what you think. I know TN isn't for everyone, and those are longer tracks, but IMO they're awesome.

Just listened to Fact and Fiction for the first time, and all I can say is "I didn't expect that!"
Dark....aggressive vocals from Geoff Mann which make Peter Hamill seem subdued at times....minimalist instrumentation but effective none the less...and more on the edge than most neo-prog I'm familiar with. Creepshow is especially good.
Too much to take in on a first listen, but I'm intrigued enough to persist and I think they will grow on me now I know it's not the same old same old. I'll check the live stuff in due course. Thanks for the heads-up verslibre.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2018 at 15:50
Originally posted by Squonk19 Squonk19 wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

You bet! Let me know what you think. I know TN isn't for everyone, and those are longer tracks, but IMO they're awesome.

Just listened to Fact and Fiction for the first time, and all I can say is "I didn't expect that!"
Dark....aggressive vocals from Geoff Mann which make Peter Hamill seem subdued at times....minimalist instrumentation but effective none the less...and more on the edge than most neo-prog I'm familiar with. Creepshow is especially good.
Too much to take in on a first listen, but I'm intrigued enough to persist and I think they will grow on me now I know it's not the same old same old. I'll check the live stuff in due course. Thanks for the heads-up verslibre.


All Twelfth Night albums are good.  By the way,  Clive Mitten,  the bassist,  just released a new album C- Live Collective...  Bloody brilliant album indeed!!...Cool
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2018 at 16:14
Originally posted by noni noni wrote:

All Twelfth Night albums are good.

Nothing after Art & Illusion is worth my time. Geoff Mann's post-TN bands are where it's at.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2018 at 16:17
Originally posted by Squonk19 Squonk19 wrote:

Thanks for the heads-up verslibre.

You bet. Keep me posted!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2018 at 19:03
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

the interesting thing is that when you have the Asperger syndrome, or shortly AS, you have the feeling that no-one understands you, although it is just the opposite: you don't understand anyone else. this resulted in both Friede and me having certain speech habits, but just on the opposite end of the scale. Friede developed the habit of speaking extremely loud out of desperation because she had the feeling no-one understood her. I on the other hand developed the habit of speaking extremely quietly out of resignation because they never understood me anyway.

interestingly we two understood each other immediately, perhaps because we did not have to look for hidden signs in the other, so by and by we got rid of our speaking habits and now talk to each other in a normal tone of voice. however, when we speak to others we fall back into our speech patterns

Thank you for your writings and contribution, I find them enlightening!  I myself have epilepsy, and although it is not connected to ASD, I have certain traits that can drive some (my wife) mad!  I have a number of young friends with autism and ASD, all are high-IQ and fascinating folk!  

However, I don't really know squat about Neo Prog!  Is "neo prog" really a necessary label?  I would think that the music was either progressive or not.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2018 at 15:24
Originally posted by Squonk19 Squonk19 wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

You bet! Let me know what you think. I know TN isn't for everyone, and those are longer tracks, but IMO they're awesome.

Just listened to Fact and Fiction for the first time, and all I can say is "I didn't expect that!"
Dark....aggressive vocals from Geoff Mann which make Peter Hamill seem subdued at times....minimalist instrumentation but effective none the less...and more on the edge than most neo-prog I'm familiar with. Creepshow is especially good.
Too much to take in on a first listen, but I'm intrigued enough to persist and I think they will grow on me now I know it's not the same old same old. I'll check the live stuff in due course. Thanks for the heads-up verslibre.

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^ Posted with pride!
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