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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2018 at 16:51
^ Hey, thanks for the kind words! I have avoided these political debates precisely because of how this played out. It's not that i can't prove that the conclusions i've drawn haven't been drawn from actually documents, testimonies, public records etc, it's just that i'm too busy to get embroiled in the murk of it all. These things require that one keeps digging deeper and deeper. I've made my points about the subject at hand ( and some that weren't :) and anyone can investigate anything i've already presented which is my intention. Don't take my word for it, but take it into consideration for your own further studies. Focusing on my music and other projects right now and yet i allowed myself to get sucked into this one Shocked

All i can say is that WHOEVER did it, Russian, insider, Satan, radioactive hamster from Mars etc needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extant of the law for any terrorist activity. That includes our political leaders who unconstituionally start wars and the like.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2018 at 01:09
Update..

Porton Down scientists are now saying they can't confirm where the nerve agent actually came from. Oh dear..

So, although it seems 'probable' that the Russians were involved, there is no actual evidence. Pretty flimsy basis on which to start expelling diplomats and threatening sanctions, and worse.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2018 at 03:39
I voted for nothing, as Russians are not behind this staged fake attack of anti-Putin Russophobia. Boycotting the world cup will only punish the English team, so it's a silly self-destructive response.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2018 at 08:43
Originally posted by Blaqua Blaqua wrote:

I voted for nothing, as Russians are not behind this staged fake
attack of anti-Putin Russophobia. Boycotting the world cup will only punish the
English team, so it's a silly self-destructive response.


Good ole KGB Putin, all he wants is world peace.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2018 at 09:45
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by Blaqua Blaqua wrote:

I voted for nothing, as Russians are not behind this staged fake
attack of anti-Putin Russophobia. Boycotting the world cup will only punish the
English team, so it's a silly self-destructive response.


Good ole KGB Putin, all he wants is world peace.

Putin ranks 3rd in contribution to world peace, the UK and US governments occupy 2nd and 1st positions on the podium


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2018 at 10:00
^ according to who.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2018 at 10:12

According to the Nobel Committee

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2018 at 10:16
Those three are probably more likely the top 3 in world turmoil.

Getting back to the KGB, I have many friends from Poland and other East European countries who grew up under KGB dominance. When there is a knock on the door late at night and you never see your uncle again, its not in the name of world peace.
Ask anyone from a country that has dealt with the KGB and see what they will tell you.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2018 at 10:32
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Those three are probably more likely the top 3 in world turmoil.

Easy Money, you haven't noticed my irony? US government and war-turmoil- have been as thick as thieves for a long time. As regards KGB, I don't disprove your stories and don't intend to be KGB advocate; however, KGB is not involved in the case of the phony poisoning in question. MI6 is most probably the perpetrator. They gave James Bond a bad name…again.





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2018 at 10:38
You don't know who committed that poisoning, you have absolutely no idea anymore than I do, but to say that the KGB or Russian government is absolutely not one of many possible suspects is beyond naive.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2018 at 12:52
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

You don't know who committed that poisoning, you have absolutely no idea anymore than I do, but to say that the KGB or Russian government is absolutely not one of many possible suspects is beyond naive.


It is indeed, John. However, the interview given to the British press by the director of Porton Down yesterday was naive in the extreme. What worries me even more is the fact that it was authorised by the Prime Minister's office. To have more than one arm of government stating definitively that Russia was absolutely responsible (the likeliest scenario) contradicted by the chief chemist of the country stating he can't say definitively where the damned stuff originated from is a tad embarrassing, to say the least.

It has gone down lie a bucket of cold puke in some Western governments who supported us. Indeed, The Times reported today that May is struggling to hold the anti-Russian coalition together.

To repeat, all the evidence is that Putin was responsible, or a state agency, which amounts to the same thing. However, as seems to be constantly the case in government these days, we really do not seem to help ourselves.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2018 at 13:09
Us regular folks will probably never know the truth, but given Putin's long time track record, he is certainly capable of something like this.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2018 at 18:17
The question one must ask oneself is why would anyone other than the Russians use such a poison to kill an ex-Russian spy? The answer is simply that no other assumption makes any sense. It also not coincidental how many anti-Putin politicians, activists, exiled spies, etc. have ended up murdered. And that specific sort of poison, the danger in handling it, and the expertise required in planting it? It's like Putin put up a billboard festooned with neon lights in Piccadilly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2018 at 02:15
The British authorities only deem highly likely that Russians are behind this ridiculous affair and don’t have evidence to support their accusations. And yet, both they and the US, before collecting evidence, before completing the reasonable series of investigations, didn’t pass up the opportunity to IMMEDIATELY show their hate towards Russia by castigating it, threatening for extreme measures (such as boycotting the world cup) and by expelling many Russian diplomats.

Russians showed willingness to cooperate with the British. They asked for a sample of the very lethal (so lethal and yet both spy and daughter are still alive) nerve agent and for a joint probe of this attack and requested also a visit to the daughter; the British of course refused again and again to do so. But they did not refuse to stage an anti-Putin incident just a few days before the Russian presidential elections. Coincidence? Hell, no!! Stay tuned, ahead of the world cup, for more episodes of Russophobia Series!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2018 at 04:03
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

The question one must ask oneself is why would anyone other than the Russians use such a poison to kill an ex-Russian spy? The answer is simply that no other assumption makes any sense.
Maybe it was used to make the Russians look suspicious as a distraction?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2018 at 05:03
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

The question one must ask oneself is why would anyone other than the Russians use such a poison to kill an ex-Russian spy? The answer is simply that no other assumption makes any sense. It also not coincidental how many anti-Putin politicians, activists, exiled spies, etc. have ended up murdered. And that specific sort of poison, the danger in handling it, and the expertise required in planting it? It's like Putin put up a billboard festooned with neon lights in Piccadilly.


Makes you wonder why another method of attack wasn't used. As you say, handling the substane is precarious and dangerous, and a successful kill was also not guaranteed. Surely if the Kremlin wanted this man dead, he'd be dead.

Of course, it may be that Putin actually wanted to be the main suspect, and wanted the world to take notice that he was serious about dealing with 'traitors' and didn't care about the consequences.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2018 at 05:36
"Makes you wonder why another method of attack wasn't used. As you say, handling the substane is precarious and dangerous, and a successful kill was also not guaranteed. Surely if the Kremlin wanted this man dead, he'd be dead. "

Spot-on! if the Russians were the perpetrators or involved in this attack in any way, they wouldn't have complicated the operation by using a very lethal, precarious, tell-tale because Russian-made, chemical weapon, which could jeopardize the lives of others including that of his Russian daughter. 

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https://www.thejournal.ie/novichok-cant-prove-was-made-in-russia-3938011-Apr2018/

not verified the precise source” of the substance." But so many Russian diplomats have already been expelled. Quoting the washingtonpost.com, Affecting at least 151 people, it is the largest expulsion of Russian diplomats since the Cold War  — and virtually unprecedented in scale and scope.  (!!)
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2018 at 05:55
Originally posted by twseel twseel wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

The question one must ask oneself is why would anyone other than the Russians use such a poison to kill an ex-Russian spy? The answer is simply that no other assumption makes any sense.
Maybe it was used to make the Russians look suspicious as a distraction?
A distraction from what? Does the UK, or any government, have to set up the Russians to make Putin and his police state look worse than it is?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2018 at 06:08
Originally posted by Blaqua Blaqua wrote:

"Makes you wonder why another method of attack wasn't used. As you say, handling the substane is precarious and dangerous, and a successful kill was also not guaranteed. Surely if the Kremlin wanted this man dead, he'd be dead. "

Spot-on! if the Russians were the perpetrators or involved in this attack in any way, they wouldn't have complicated the operation by using a very lethal, precarious, tell-tale because Russian-made, chemical weapon, which could jeopardize the lives of others including that of his Russian daughter. 

Read here

https://www.thejournal.ie/novichok-cant-prove-was-made-in-russia-3938011-Apr2018/

not verified the precise source” of the substance." But so many Russian diplomats have already been expelled. Quoting the washingtonpost.com, Affecting at least 151 people, it is the largest expulsion of Russian diplomats since the Cold War  — and virtually unprecedented in scale and scope.  (!!)
 
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To be fair, to them it was probably the straw that broke the camels back; Russia has been getting away with obnoxious behavior for a longer time now.
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