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No vote as I am not a UK citizen. If this happened on Dutch soil, I'd say blame the Ukrainian government. Maybe that would bring things into balance, just a bit...
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Posted: March 20 2018 at 02:17
I always find myself impressed by the reasoning as demonstrated very ably here by someone like ophtalmocsclerosis, for instance. It brings everything back into perspective.
Why should we talk about things like nuclear threats, North Korea, Iran, trade wars, Russian election hacking, the Mueller investigation, dead school kids, and many others, when we should be concentrating on Hillary's e-mails and imaginary deals?
Thank goodness we've got people like that to keep us grounded in reality. A big thank you to you for your tireless efforts. You put the FU back into FUN.
PS. @ophtalmocsclerosis: Ah, I've just noticed that you're in Texas. I'm sure it's very nice there. I think someone might have left a parcel for you on your doorstep. Why don't you go out and shoot it?
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Posted: March 19 2018 at 14:43
progaardvark wrote:
omphaloskepsis wrote:
Iron Hillary? Really? Is that why Hillary signed off on sending 20% of American Uranium to Russia? Iron Hillary wanted to send a message. Well Hillary sent the message cause Russian donors donated 150 million dollars to the Clinton Foundation.
This was debunked by numerous people. Please update your brain.
Your sources are bias and wrong. And that includes Shepard Smith.
Maybe you should update your brain. Here, let me help you...
My source is World's leading expert on the Clinton Foundation- Charles Ortel. Ortel has studied the Clinton Foundation (and little else) for years. That includes Uranium One, Haiti, and every country or organization related to the Clinton Foundation. But don't believe me, check out...
"Sundays with Charles" is a video series in which Charles Ortel meticulously combs through every line of every piece Clinton Foundation Paper work: Every expenditure, donation, country of origin, tax fraud, ect ect. So far? Over 100 hours of video- 58 episodes and counting.
The FBI, IRS, tax agencies around the world, and members of Congress watch Ortel's dissection of the Clinton Foundation. Ortel is teaching the IRS, FBI, and other organizations around the world- How to investigate the Clinton Foundation. "Sundays with Charles"
After watching around 50 hours myself, I've seen so much Clinton paperwork explained to me that I feel I'm taking a Masters level College Class. And it is a class. And its impressive.
I'll provide a link to the class. You get access to all the videos and if you are an investigator... Ortel will send you all Clinton Foundation paperwork relevant to the area of the Clinton Foundation (CF) you're investigating plus connections with others operating upon the same sections of the CF that that you're investigating.
Here's Yesterday's episode staring Robyn Gritz. Google Robyn and see what pops up. She was all over the news this weekend. Robyn is an enemy of recently fired FBI agent Andrew McCabe.
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Posted: March 19 2018 at 10:38
omphaloskepsis wrote:
Iron Hillary? Really? Is that why Hillary signed off on sending 20% of American Uranium to Russia? Iron Hillary wanted to send a message. Well Hillary sent the message cause Russian donors donated 150 million dollars to the Clinton Foundation.
This was debunked by numerous people. Please update your brain.
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Posted: March 19 2018 at 04:55
micky wrote:
SteveG wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
^ the reason i brought up my study of Russian language and culture is to give a sense of my commitment to a subject before i feel i have any authority to even have an intelligible opinion. If anything i have posted here appears as "alternative" facts to you means you simply haven't delved into this stuff as much as i have. Take it or leave it any way that you want but do realize that there are many of us out there who have derived our opinions from extensive research and not just someone else's word. I'm merely presenting things for others to investigate on their own
Boy this is getting tiresome, I'm afraid. Its not your warped world views that bother me but your insistence that you have greater knowledge than those that you engage, as if the people you talk down to are dwellers in a cave. I've been a member of the Students For A Democratic Society (SDS) since 1969 and I'm the chapter's chairperson in my district right up this present moment. I believe that I've studied more political, cultural and social theories and practices than you just based on my observation of your one sided views. Again, that's not what bothers me. Only your failure to tread lightly with someone on the other side of your posts. And please keep this mind, a great amount of warped information is simply not knowledge.
not picking a side.. for that would take knowing what is going on.. but that post. Spot on frickin gold... for I recognize my own faults in your words of wisdom Steve. There is a lot of stupidity and ignorance out there that gave us the current sh*t show we have.. the problem is .. there is so much.. it is easy to assume that most o the people you interactive with virtually are amoung the 80% that vote without considering the consequence.. that express opinions without thought.
Mea culpa my friend. Its easy for us to think that everyone on the other side of a post is an idiot based exactly on your reasoning, which is that so many people voted this clown into office that we must be interacting with some of them at least some of the time. Even with some idiots that didn't vote him in, like Sventonio!
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Posted: March 19 2018 at 04:12
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SteveG wrote:
^ A big part of conspiracy theory is the elaborate complication of the so called "facts." by the theorists. Let's keep things simple, shall we. A great man once wrote a simple statement in the hopes that his fellow citizens would not be bamboozled by wild hyperbole and complicated minutia of detail. It goes like this: "We hold these truths to be self evident".
If your theories cannot be verified using an examination by this simple statement then they are warped. As far as my reasoning for UK's position, do the work and backtrack through these posts and you'll find it.
I reviewed your statements on thread.
1. Russia's history of killing spies.
2." If the British got this wrong, it makes up for the hundreds of other unmentioned acts by the Russians. So be it. "
3."The UK, unlike the Trump crowd, does not state their intelligence findings, that's why you have no proof."
4. "We hold these truths to be self evident". -"If your theories cannot be verified using an examination by this simple statement then they are warped."
Would you like to add anything else to your reasoning?
If these brief statements are not enough to make you think, then no. And what's to think about? How about why followers of conspiracy theorists demand to know why a country's intelligence agency doesn't make their intl public and, in doing so, also make that information public to their perceived enemies; as well as never giving credit to the press and media for never leaving a stone undisturbed in investigating any possible scandal by any leaders of governments of the free world. As if there was absolutely no agency available to leave the power of free governments completely unchecked. Yes, indeed. Why is that?
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Posted: March 18 2018 at 17:54
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Sorry, but I think most people have learnt that you can't trust the government (except the Trump administration, of course), but isn't bringing conspiracy theories and UFOs into it going a bit far? I'd hush up about that, if you want to be taken seriously.
Then again the attack on Salisbury might just have been alien farts. What do I know?
First of all this whole thread is a conspiracy theory in its nature. Secondly everybody knows that it was alien farts that caused the attack but what they don't know is that they were sent here from a slave poodle encampment on Uranus where DNA extracted from Richard Nixon's left testicle created a mutant strain of ebola-bunny that mated with unicorns from Atlantis. It's either that or because Salisbury steaks are crap
Seriously, Dr Wu brought up the UFO thang. Just because someone investigates the unknown doesn't discredit them. Staunch disbelief in the possibilities is just as fundamentalist as tin foil hat conspiracies with absolutely no proof. Oh, wait, i sense this thread is in need of comedic relief moment.
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Posted: March 18 2018 at 14:25
Sorry, but I think most people have learnt that you can't trust the government (except the Trump administration, of course), but isn't bringing conspiracy theories and UFOs into it going a bit far? I'd hush up about that, if you want to be taken seriously.
Then again the attack on Salisbury might just have been alien farts. What do I know?
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Posted: March 18 2018 at 13:47
dr wu23 wrote:
Speculation (about who did what and why) and 5 pounds will get you a cup of coffee at a trendy bistro in London.
Saying it's a false flag is pure speculation.....but people certainly have the right to make such claims.
btw...regarding the False Flag series cited above by Richard Dolan.....he's a known alien and ufo conspiracy theorist and many in that genre think he's a bit loony (though some of them are 'out there' also), I have read his early books many years ago on ufos and the national security state. Not exactly a source I would use to prove a point or argument.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_M._Dolan
Any claims are speculation. That's the whole point!
There are many government whistleblowers who have confirmed extraterrestrial life exists including former Canadian Minister of Defense Paul Helyer, but honestly that's not relevant to the topic. Dolan's investigation into these topics are substantiated by a real phenomena. Even my mother has seen real UFOs.
Not relevant to the False Flag series which is based on mdticulous research. If you haven't seen it then you'll have no idea where I'm coming from.
Point blank, all I'm saying is that there is no evidence to make any conclusions and a whole history of government deception means many of us will never trust a single thing that comes out of their weasly lying lips.
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Posted: March 18 2018 at 13:40
I didn’t read the whole of this thread, so someone might have made this point before.
It seems highly unlikely to me that the Russians were behind this attack. It just doesn’t fit their usual MO (in a peaceful country, anyway). I mean let’s face it: if these guys are good at anything at all, it’s bumping people off; efficiently and with minimum fuss. But this was just either a giant f*ckup or some demonstration or other.
What happened to the discreet drop of cyanide in the drinky-poo or the elegant stabby-stabby in a crowd? It just doesn’t seem feasible that someone in Russia thought it might be appropriate to spray a small town in England with nerve gas and hope for the best.
And on top of that the victim(s) survive? Give me a break! The Russians are getting constantly better at this stuff, not worse.
To me it looks like some sort of proof of concept, Blofeld-style.
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Posted: March 18 2018 at 12:45
Speculation (about who did what and why) and 5 pounds will get you a cup of coffee at a trendy bistro in London.
Saying it's a false flag is pure speculation.....but people certainly have the right to make such claims.
btw...regarding the False Flag series cited above by Richard Dolan.....he's a known alien and ufo conspiracy theorist and many in that genre think he's a bit loony (though some of them are 'out there' also), I have read his early books many years ago on ufos and the national security state. Not exactly a source I would use to prove a point or argument.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_M._Dolan
Edited by dr wu23 - March 18 2018 at 12:57
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Posted: March 18 2018 at 07:07
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Incidentally, I'd like to ask how the Bay of Pigs was "a false flag".
Russian nerve agent found at the site, no false flag. So much for the conspiracy theory.
Unless you want to believe (as in X Files) that UK Gov PLC "made it up", in which case, you can disbelieve any fact whatsoever, which is what conspiracy theorists tend to do.
So I blame Jeremy Clarkson, that's just as rational. Jezzer is behind it.
conspiracy- a secret plan by a two or more people to do something unlawful or harmful:
Therefore the proposition that Putin or Russia poisoned Skripal with a nerve gas is a....Conspiracy Theory.
False flags result in actual death and destruction? False flags often use real weapons. Ergo, just because Theresa May claims a Russia nerve agent was found on site, does NOT disprove a false flag.
If Theresa May does not provide proof that Russia poisoned Skripal, yet Theresa May proposes that Russia conspired to poison Skripal, then Theresa May just put forth a Conspiracy Theory.
If I point out the definition of "false flags" and "conspiracy theory, that doesn't make what I said a conspiracy theory.
Definition of False Flag. "False flag terrorism" occurs when elements within a government stage a secret operation whereby government forces pretend to be a targeted enemy while attacking their own forces or people. The attack is then falsely blamed on the enemy in order to justify going to war against that enemy.
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Posted: March 18 2018 at 05:27
I'm afraid that the amount of conspiracy theories on this post are tempting me to put up an "Am I an idiot ? " post with just a "yes" button, and to sit back and wait and see what happens.
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Posted: March 17 2018 at 17:09
Oh brother. Funny how those who are confronted with an opposing opinion always scream conspiracy theorist!
Regarding false flags, there is absolutely nothing i've presented that isn't a matter of public record and meticulously documented.
I have no comments for the nonsense i've read. I don't waste time on these things. All i want is to show a valuable resource that will clearly demonstrate the patterns in which these events occur. And unfortunately the world is complex so that will eliminate many from pursuing them.
If you don't find these things helpful, here's some advice: don't read or watch them! For those who have an open mind and find new information stimulating regarding world events please check out Richard Dolan's excellent series False Flags. I know of it on Gaia (which costs $10 a month but i think you can watch a few freebies) but it very well may be available on Netflix or elsewhere. While all this information is taught in more progressive univesities around the world, i've never experienced it laid out quite so elegantly.
If anyone wants to talk about anything of substance regarding these issues or about any particular point i've made, i'm all ears, OTHERWISE this is mostly empty content.
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Posted: March 17 2018 at 11:18
hahaha... say what you will... but Hillary scarred the bully and despot that is Putin. And as Thomas so eloquently stated earlier.. Putin is a menace and threat to world stabilty and peace.. and not surprisingly is best bro's with world menace #2.. our own f**king over his head and lost in twitter space President. (of red America haha)
Edited by micky - March 17 2018 at 11:19
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I woke up feeling like I'm getting the flu. Or perhaps I've been poisoned, as anything seems possible in this thread! 
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