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 Posted: January 30 2018 at 07:49 |
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^ Oh we're nitpicking first prog band? I'm afraid if Beach Boys take that prize.
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Posted: January 30 2018 at 08:34 |
^...The Beach Boys....? People often say that....I simply don't get it. Any of those mentioned above...Days of Future Past....Procol's first ....The Nice-Ars ...all could qualify......but ITCOTCK will always be the one in my mind that started the prog craze.
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Posted: January 30 2018 at 09:48 |
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Hopefully by that time, Greg (Dark Elf) will develop some wit and make his mock lyrics actually funny. As talented blues guitarist are not known for brilliant lyrics, I won't hold my breath. But then again, why should they? |
My, old farts get quite touchy!  in my defense, lyric-wise, all that is required to be a prog lyricist is to repeat the words "Close to the Edge" or "And You and I" approximately 436 times in the span of 10 to 12 minutes, and VOILA! You are a poet laureate of the genre.
Old farts Bitching the toaster burnt Their Pop-tarts. Winter complainers, The old ghosts -- Silently typing the same sullen posts Of their old prog in a cold fog Of the old farts.
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Posted: January 30 2018 at 09:58 |
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Right back at ya! And those are the best prog lyrics I've ever seen!
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Posted: January 30 2018 at 10:04 |
dr wu23 wrote:
^...The Beach Boys....?People often say that....I simply don't get it. Any of those mentioned above...Days of Future Past....Procol's first ....The Nice-Ars ...all could qualify......but ITCOTCK will always be the one in my mind that started the prog craze. |
Yeah Doc, David and I are of that rare (supper rare?) breed that thinks that the Beach Boys were proto prog. What the hell, it keeps things interesting, if nothing else!
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Posted: January 30 2018 at 10:17 |
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"We've derailed this thread long enough"
Speak for yourself, Steve.
Some threads need derailing. |
Quite right. But I apologize for derailing the train of thought that was off-track and soon as the OP left the station.
*Cues up "Locomotive Breath"*
In any case, I believe Sgt. Pepper's was "progressive" for the time without being "prog" per se. Juxtaposing a jaunty little McCartney ditty about personal hygiene in the middle of a surreal Lennon composition about the death of a beer baron's son isn't necessarily "prog". What the Beatles did in both Revolver and Sgt. Pepper's was to bring pop music to a level hitherto unknown to the people of this area (but destined to take the place of Chuck Berry in rock mythology).
The recording techniques and innovations they brought to the studio made possible albums like In the Court of the Crimson King and Dark Side of the Moon. It's safe to say Sgt. Pepper's brought a recording revolution to the studio that influenced Hendrix, Robert Fripp, Alan Parsons, and even Brian Wilson, who was driven mad just trying to keep up. The Beatles contribution to World Music (and I would suggest "Within You Without You" was revolutionary in that Harrison actually adhered to Hindustani classical music modes and scales in the composition, rather than just throw in a sitar and tabla for effect), and the later prog use of mellotron, tape loops and eccentric instrumentation (harmonium and glockenspiel!) found in "Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite" and "Strawberry Fields Forever", was cause enough for a whole generation of prog rock musicians to be indebted.
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Posted: January 30 2018 at 11:03 |
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^Yes, Sgt. P. is pretty proto in my book, but the progressive authorities at Wikipedia (now has that for an oxymoron) state that the album, along with Revolver and Pet Sounds, is progressive Pop. Not to confused with symphonic Pop! Now I'm confused!
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Posted: January 30 2018 at 11:15 |
There is one rock song on Sgt Pepper. 1! and that is the title track. Now how on earth could this album then be the first prog album? Pet Sounds contains about the same amount of rock. There were literally thousands of progressive albums being made before either Sgt Pepper and Pet Sounds...but like those they too weren't rock albums. When we talk about prog rock I think we need to remember the rock part of the equation...or else we're back to the likes of Stravinski, Stockhausen, Coltrane, Charlie Parker and Ligeti who all made progressive albums before The Beatles and The Beach Boys. All of the above mentioned artists influenced prog rock on a wide scale, but that does not make them prog either.
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Posted: January 30 2018 at 12:22 |
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There is one rock song on Sgt Pepper. 1! and that is the title track. Now how on earth could this album then be the first prog album? Pet Sounds contains about the same amount of rock.There were literally thousands of progressive albums being made before either Sgt Pepper and Pet Sounds...but like those they too weren't rock albums. When we talk about prog rock I think we need to remember the rock part of the equation...or else we're back to the likes of Stravinsky, Stockhausen, Coltrane, Charlie Parker and Ligeti who all made progressive albums before The Beatles and The Beach Boys. All of the above mentioned artists influenced prog rock on a wide scale, but that does not make them prog either. |
Cause they're classical music, that's why. (the other two jazz)
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Posted: January 30 2018 at 12:26 |
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That is exactly my point. Both The Beatles and The Beach Boys are heralded in this thread for having made the first prog album, yet neither of those albums are rock. They may be progressive, just like the ones I mentioned, but they're not rock.
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Posted: January 30 2018 at 12:40 |
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There is one rock song on Sgt Pepper. 1! and that is the title track. Now how on earth could this album then be the first prog album? Pet Sounds contains about the same amount of rock.There were literally thousands of progressive albums being made before either Sgt Pepper and Pet Sounds...but like those they too weren't rock albums. When we talk about prog rock I think we need to remember the rock part of the equation...or else we're back to the likes of Stravinski, Stockhausen, Coltrane, Charlie Parker and Ligeti who all made progressive albums before The Beatles and The Beach Boys. All of the above mentioned artists influenced prog rock on a wide scale, but that does not make them prog either. |
Ummm....we are now past the point of what constitutes "prog" and are now questioning if Sgt. Pepper is a "rock" album? That was certainly an unexpected turn of events.
David, I would suggest "Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds", "Good Morning Good Morning", "Getting Better", or "With a Little Help From My Friends" are certainly all "rock" songs in a literal sense. Unless your definition of "rock" is completely different than mine.
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Posted: January 30 2018 at 12:48 |
I just listened to the album actually and I guess you're halfright about Lucy and with a little help from my friends (although the latter doesn't quite feel like a rock tune before in landed in Joe Cocker's lap). The rest sounds like baroque pop with a bit of rock perchance? So yeah we probably have different definitions But a prog album? Nahh...
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Posted: January 30 2018 at 12:59 |
Guldbamsen wrote:
There is one rock song on Sgt Pepper. 1! and that is the title track. Now how on earth could this album then be the first prog album? Pet Sounds contains about the same amount of rock.There were literally thousands of progressive albums being made before either Sgt Pepper and Pet Sounds...but like those they too weren't rock albums. When we talk about prog rock I think we need to remember the rock part of the equation...or else we're back to the likes of Stravinski, Stockhausen, Coltrane, Charlie Parker and Ligeti who all made progressive albums before The Beatles and The Beach Boys. All of the above mentioned artists influenced prog rock on a wide scale, but that does not make them prog either. |
Hey, wait a minute! How many rock songs are on In The Court Of The Crimson King? 
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Posted: January 30 2018 at 13:07 |
Like I said in French (Guldy the Censor is always deleting my witty French comments  ): Utter nonsense!
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Posted: January 30 2018 at 13:17 |
Of course I am. It's an English speaking forum  The peculiar thing about this is that you keep doing this. You know insanity is defined by doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different outcome?
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Posted: January 30 2018 at 13:22 |
SteveG wrote:
Guldbamsen wrote:
There is one rock song on Sgt Pepper. 1! and that is the title track. Now how on earth could this album then be the first prog album? Pet Sounds contains about the same amount of rock.There were literally thousands of progressive albums being made before either Sgt Pepper and Pet Sounds...but like those they too weren't rock albums. When we talk about prog rock I think we need to remember the rock part of the equation...or else we're back to the likes of Stravinski, Stockhausen, Coltrane, Charlie Parker and Ligeti who all made progressive albums before The Beatles and The Beach Boys. All of the above mentioned artists influenced prog rock on a wide scale, but that does not make them prog either. |
Hey, wait a minute! How many rock songs are on In The Court Of The Crimson King? |
5.
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Posted: January 30 2018 at 13:36 |
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Of course I am. It's an English speaking forum
The peculiar thing about this is that you keep doing this.
You know insanity is defined by doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different outcome? |
Haha! and you think I'll stop doing it just because you said so...in your dreams, lad. Man, that guy is a major-league head case.
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Posted: January 30 2018 at 13:45 |
Barbu wrote:
Guldbamsen wrote:
Of course I am. It's an English speaking forum
The peculiar thing about this is that you keep doing this.
You know insanity is defined by doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different outcome? |
Haha! and you think I'll stop doing it just because you said so...in your dreams, lad.
Man, that guy is a major-league head case. |
You've been here longer than I have and I remember loads of people telling you to write your posts in English. Nothing new there. It is also stipulated in the forum guldelines ie use the English language. The way you go about this makes it look like you're only in it for the kicks - throw some gas on the bonfire. I also appreciate the insult, thank you. When resorting to namecalling you're basically throwing in the towel.
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Posted: January 30 2018 at 13:46 |
Guldbamsen wrote:
SteveG wrote:
Guldbamsen wrote:
There is one rock song on Sgt Pepper. 1! and that is the title track. Now how on earth could this album then be the first prog album? Pet Sounds contains about the same amount of rock.There were literally thousands of progressive albums being made before either Sgt Pepper and Pet Sounds...but like those they too weren't rock albums. When we talk about prog rock I think we need to remember the rock part of the equation...or else we're back to the likes of Stravinski, Stockhausen, Coltrane, Charlie Parker and Ligeti who all made progressive albums before The Beatles and The Beach Boys. All of the above mentioned artists influenced prog rock on a wide scale, but that does not make them prog either. |
Hey, wait a minute! How many rock songs are on In The Court Of The Crimson King? |
5. |
Yes, I suppose that they would have to be in order to fit PA's criteria.
Seriously, you did scare me with that one, David.
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