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Posted: September 06 2017 at 20:27
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Now why do I think Page was a sloppy player ?? Nothing, and I mean NOTHING Page has done has blown me away to be honest. When I think of, even 'good' guitarists (as opposed to 'great' ones), Jimmy doesn't even come to mind.
One of the biggest differences between Page and Gilmour is how they approached solos.
Jimmy would listen to the track, get the feel down, and improvise his solo.
Gilmour would record 8-12 solos and then cut and paste the best bits from each one, and then he'd learn the mixed together bits.
And if you can listen to the solo in Achilles Last Stand and not consider it a really great..... well, I don't know what to say.
Same goes for Since I've Been Loving You and, of course, Stairway to Heaven.
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Posted: September 06 2017 at 23:30
Jimmy was sloppy, that was one of his best qualities. One of the reasons Plant joined Page was because he loves raggy guitar and wanted to work with Stumblefingers himself. Character, texture, the imperfection of rock, that's what it was all about.
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Posted: September 07 2017 at 01:19
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Tom Ozric wrote:
Now why do I think Page was a sloppy player ?? Nothing, and I mean NOTHING Page has done has blown me away to be honest. When I think of, even 'good' guitarists (as opposed to 'great' ones), Jimmy doesn't even come to mind.
One of the biggest differences between Page and Gilmour is how they approached solos.
Jimmy would listen to the track, get the feel down, and improvise his solo.
Gilmour would record 8-12 solos and then cut and paste the best bits from each one, and then he'd learn the mixed together bits.
And if you can listen to the solo in Achilles Last Stand and not consider it a really great..... well, I don't know what to say.
Same goes for Since I've Been Loving You and, of course, Stairway to Heaven.
Right, 3 of my favourite Zepp tunes right there (I have more). Still, no blow-away.
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Posted: September 07 2017 at 10:25
Strange thing with me regarding Zepp : Page is serviceable at best. Not my ideal guitar player. Plant makes me cringe with his pelvic-thrust carry-on cringeworthy gibberish. Bonham is a standard Rock drummer as far as I'm concerned. JPJ is AMAZING ! The only member who does anything I like. Yet, the Zepp ensemble seems to work in many cases. Maybe I just burnt them out back in the late-80's, constant bong-smoking and Zepp, Zepp, Zepp....
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Posted: September 08 2017 at 16:00
Playing guitar is not all about notation; rhythm technique is crucial, probably even more important than lead, both the rhythms one composes on guitar as well as one's timing and tempo when playing in an ensemble. In this way, Page was the more interesting and complex player.
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Posted: September 10 2017 at 14:28
Interestingly, Page took lessons from McLaughlin at one point. There's actually quite a bit of fusion and prog in some of Zep's stuff. But with a very hard rocking edge of course. Check these out:
Four Sticks Over the Hills and Far Away Kashmir In the Light Carouselambra No Quater Achilles Last Stand
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Posted: September 24 2017 at 16:36
what made Zep work was their rhythm section which gave JP lots of scope to 'do what he does' and sloppy or not, they had the 'funk'. His head was often 'elsewhere' and it shows in his fingers.. but, still, he does what he does with aplomb..
DG is more disciplined in his playing, more focused.. but moderately simplistic (certainly compared with Mc Laughlin) and much though I really love (particularly early) Floyd they have very little 'funk' goin' on.
Another example (well, from my own taste) is why 'Free' and 'The Faces' worked so well but I don't think the Rolling stones do is because their respective rhythm sections 'work' and support the guitarist but the Stones are (again, just MY opinion) flat as a pancake.. Man, Andy Rogers and Simon Kirk are just soooo rubbery and fluid and the same with Ronnie Lane and Kenny Jones..
Sorry back to topic.. I enjoy the work of both but am gonna go with David Gilmour.
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