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Points: 8631 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2017 at 18:42
^Really? A message is pretentious?  Not everyone can be a lawyer or promote change with huge infusions of cash. 

Again, this word is slung around like it exists anywhere but complete abstraction.

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pre·ten·tious

  (prĭ-tĕn′shəs)
adj.
1. Claiming that or behaving as if one is important or deserving of merit when such is not the case: a pretentioussocialite.
2. Showing or betraying an attitude of superiority: made pretentious remarks about his education.
3. Marked by an extravagant or presumptuous outward show; ostentatious: a pretentious house.




Really? Are bands that are just more able to present musical expressions that you can not yet understand ---- pretentious? Or are you just jealous that you don't get it because you don't want to advance to the levels of getting it? 

These and other questions haunt our psychological realities day to day but no answers truly satisfy until we do the homework to understand how advanced Calculus was derived from Algebra in the first place. I guess we should call of of creation pretentious? I mean, you don't understand it totally so why not?

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Points: 8631 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2017 at 22:46
^Fantastic! 

Except you dropped this. 

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Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

^Really? A message is pretentious?  Not everyone can be a lawyer or promote change with huge infusions of cash. 

Again, this word is slung around like it exists anywhere but complete abstraction.

No, a message infused with a huge ego and self-importance to that message. 

Otherwise, as I see it. Music is music, good and bad. Entirely up to subjective debate. 
Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.

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^Fair enough. 
But you REALLY don't like Bono, do you?

I don't even like U2, but I just don't think he's as much of an attention whore as all that. But no biggy. I don't like Roger Waters.

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In this context the word pretentious is totally wrong, of course.

For me itīs dull.  
Without Keith Emerson and Rick Wakeman progressive music would have been still quite dull back in the day. They were geniuses, they created something new. No wonder critics hated them. Damn commies LOL




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You may see a smile on Tony Banksī face but thatīs unlikely.
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Originally posted by Cosmiclawnmower Cosmiclawnmower wrote:

Ive always believed that music is created in the cosmos and is only channelled through humans therefore it is impossible for music to be pretentious.. even if, on occasion, the people who make it might beWink

Quite rightly so, dear Watcher of the Skies. And I would add that the people who listen to it as well. 
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Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

Evidently there are very different understandings of what constitutes pretentiousness being employed by different posters. My own personal one is that pretentiousness is about pretence - specifically, pretending to operate on some kind of artistic or intellectual level that is not actually earned or achieved. e.g. Jon Anderson's Yes lyrics were frequently pretentious as they aspired to the status of poetry / philosophy without having any actual substance. Peter Hamill's lyrics with VdGG weren't pretentious because, although they had obvious literary and intellectual aspirations, Hamill had the substance to back it up - an actual poet not a pretend one.

Just passing through...but this one sums it up perfectly.
Anderson is a pretentious ex-milkman from Accrington, while Hammill is a towering genius.
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Originally posted by NutterAlert NutterAlert wrote:

Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

Evidently there are very different understandings of what constitutes pretentiousness being employed by different posters. My own personal one is that pretentiousness is about pretence - specifically, pretending to operate on some kind of artistic or intellectual level that is not actually earned or achieved. e.g. Jon Anderson's Yes lyrics were frequently pretentious as they aspired to the status of poetry / philosophy without having any actual substance. Peter Hamill's lyrics with VdGG weren't pretentious because, although they had obvious literary and intellectual aspirations, Hamill had the substance to back it up - an actual poet not a pretend one.

Just passing through...but this one sums it up perfectly.
Anderson is a pretentious ex-milkman from Accrington, while Hammill is a towering genius.

Or maybe you just envy Jonīs gorgeous hair. Passing thru. Great. Go and get a life.
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Points: 15216 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2017 at 04:32
Of course proggies could give the word some kind of positive ironic spin. "Now ELP are really badly pretentious, so cool!"
By the way, I think there was a pretentious element to most of what Eloy's Frank Bornemann did (I tend to suspect that if he calls an album "Visionary" it's really about himself), but then he managed to get some positive creative energy out of it, so fine by me. (And I'm able to ignore lyrics when listening to music... good for me!) 


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Everyone, probably. To confront with Bach, Bartok and Cage is pretentious, but it's also risky. It is that risk taking which sometimes makes prog so interesting. 
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These guys aren't pretentious, under-rated as hell, but not pretentious.
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1: King Crimson
2: Pink Floyd
3: Emerson, Lake and Palmer
4: Yes
5: Genesis
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Have any prog bands created societies to take over the planet yet?? 
Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.

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