Are captchas killing PA?

micky wrote: ^ that may be true...  I don't see it. I regular post on 5 other forums upon interests of mine, from history to role playing to board gaming to books and they are alive and doing find.

micky wrote: no doubt.. I'm sure he would... and Raff and I will buy it from it. I'll even throw in a case of beer and the phone number of a sadistic (hopefully) sex starved redhead who'll rock your world M@X if sell by the end of year haha...

You can have this site where the guys are still trying to figure out what 'girls' are, but I have my eyes on buying his jazz site.

no doubt.. I'm sure he would... and Raff and I will buy it from it. I'll even throw in a case of beer and the phone number of a sadistic (hopefully) sex starved redhead who'll rock your world M@X if sell by the end of year haha...

You give me some peace of mind, then, still usefully and pleasantly using (and massively working on) the DB and expecting to be able to continue to do so.

^ I doubt PA is going away anytime soon, it still brings in revenue, and I have seen that fact for myself.
Many site visitors do not come her for discussion, they are here looking for particular info etc.

oh sure forums come and go... and yeah if you are looking mainly at musical ones you can see where they might be failing at greater than normal rates.  Again.. music is sex man. Don't talk... just get it on!!! Perhaps the Hoffman forum has the right idea..  a grab bag of all music not just focused on a particular listening subset. Which brings me back to....

I did drag out jacob's post for more than one reason though.. sure it was to hammer home for those unaware that yes ..there was indeed a revival but again for the insight he showed.   Perhaps the days of the focused musical forums are as numbered John as those who tend to identify themselves through specific music.  I made this point in the latest version of the girls v. prog thread this forum loves to have every few years and was ignored as usual by kiddies who know as little about women as they do prog.  Men gravitate here for part of being a man is that group association we tend to place upon ourselves.  We have tended to associate ourselves via the music we like.. women? f**k that.. it is just music. not a statement on who they are.  Yet as Jacob sagely noted.. the days of that are ending with today's youth.  Genres.. tags.. labels.. we grew up on it..  and we reveled in our attempts here to characterize to summarize to pound round groups into the square holes of genre ID's. However it is a new world out there..  today's music listener John.. they don't give a f**k it is jazz, prog, or pop. so why would they visit those kind of limited interest forums. All they would seem to care about is only if it is good.. so why would they come here to a site that reeks of age and bands many years in their creative graves. 

as was said. so it is.. it is a new world out there... remember how we had bands beating down our doors ..pestering us to no end to be added to teh database or have their albums reviewed.  Today? where did that go... the labels attached to the music simply don't seem to apply anymore. 

^ that may be true...  I don't see it. I regular post on 5 other forums upon interests of mine, from history to role playing to board gaming to books and they are alive and doing find.

Music?  One could see that.. talking about music is like talking about sex. what is the point.. get out there and experience it. It is a personal experience and relationship that doesn't really tend well to discussion unless you really have a talent for talking music. Otherwise you get a bunch of polls on what you like and don't like hahah.  What really is there to talk about.. yeah Red heads are freaky and rule.. but will steal your soul..  yeah Genesis wasted a decade before discovering their true talents as purveyors of great pop..  pffff. As any long term member here knows...  new topics are very few and far between.. mostly rehashes of stuff discussd years ago.

but music forums.  Progears is still alive and doing fine. Perhaps they are an outlier.. that site is more clique driven by friendships that extend out of cyberspace into real life. Then there is the Steve Hoffman site I checked out after Jose mentioned it in another thread. Dead? no way.. I saw a 20 page thread on Dione Warwick sititng right next to a long mult-page thread on the new Roger album.  That forum sure as sh*t isn't dead. I've been thinking long and hard about joining it. Looks like a hoot and some damn smart people posting there.. not just parrots and fanboys of particular groups.

internet forums dead and dying?  I'm not seeing it. Perhaps John it is just this forum....


Edited by micky - June 11 2017 at 10:52

Easy Money wrote: I have no idea if there was ever a "prog revival"

sure there was....  easy to see if one only takes the time to look and think about it.

just as much as the end of it was easy to see .. if only one takes the time to look and think about it. That is why Captcha isn't to blame for killing PA's.. blame for what...  decreasing activity on a dying site that had become more a general chat site than what it once was.. the place to go for Prog Rock.  It's decline in enthusiasm, activity both in the old guard and influsion of new blood...and all that jazz started ..well.. .around the time the unified prog scene fell apart and fractured....

for the umptenth time...  in all my years online here, and before that at other sites.. I've never seen a more insightful post.. written by one who was in the front lines of the prog revival of the late 90's.

Jacob wrote: I'm just going to chime in on the original post, dunno what's been discussed over all these pages. I whole-heartedly applaud every prog festival organizer who has ever walked the earth for their amazing contribution to the entire prog revival. Without people like Rob and Chad and Greg and Steve and George and the rest, a lot of us in prog bands would simply be nowhere. Progfest and NEARfest in particular have been essential to the growth of Scandinavian prog in the 90's and noughties. It just seems that the time has come now for prog to find a new way. The festivals have become, as was mentioned, nostalgia get-togethers. They have been artificial life-lines for stagnant acts, rather than fertile grounds for new, exciting acts. And those organizers who have tried to feature some new blood have been punished by a rather backwards-looking audience. As with NEARfest this year. I don't think blaming either the audience, the organizers or the bands has any virtue. What I think, is that the prog umbrella for too long has tried to shelter two very different things under its shade: On the one hand, the nostalgia scene, which features both the old acts that are still around, like Yes and whatever Italian band you care to mention, and "old-new" bands like Flower Kings and Transatlantic - bands that, though newish, cater mostly to very conservative audiences. On the other hand, the new progressive scene, which could include anything from The Mars Volta to Gösta Berlings Saga, and which really isn't a scene at all, especially considering that many of the bands themselves have no awareness of being part of a "prog scene". These two strands really are extremely different. There's plenty of people with a love for both (including, to a certain extent, myself). But to throw the typical fans of both scenes (the former, ageing, follicle-challenged geezers - bless'em all!, the latter young, dynamic listeners brought up to endless eclecticism and irreverence to genres - bless them too!), might just be too much of a stretch. Maybe it's time for a divorce. Let the geezers have their nostalgia-fests, and let the "new prog" bands get out on the regular rock circuit and compete with any other rock genres out there rather than put them in the geriatric ward of "prog" where the smell of old age will make them unpalatable to both the rock media and the major labels. No disrespect to either!!! :-) And as an a propos: Prog labels that sign new, fresh and exciting bands should be careful how they market and present the bands. Selling them in the traditional way ("washes of mellotrons, recall Eloy in their heyday, rave reception at Bolivia Art Rock Fest (BARF)") will, quite simply, sell them short. It's a new world out there.

Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote: Tapfret wrote: No, people who want to continue to contribute will. People who want to repeatedly write the same BS posts about some perceived halcyon prog revival that fit their own parameters of the way things should be, will.  This about a million times over, despite the delusion some of the `f*cking rock stars of the Prog Archives' will have you believe

If you read their posts backwards they contain satanic messages saying 'go to Progressive Ears' 'marry an Italian' 'Max is the antichrist'

I have no idea if there was ever a "prog revival", but discussion forums on any subject, musical or otherwise, are mostly a thing of the past. A few linger on, but many have been shut down over the past few years due to dwindling participation. This is true of non-musical sites as well.