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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2017 at 09:04
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Originally posted by Erwaco Erwaco wrote:

Perhaps their attention span can't relate to a seven minute song?
 I wonder if you have daughters.


Probably not, He would have to meet their mother first


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2017 at 11:47
Probably the same reason most people don't like prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2017 at 23:36
For the record, my daughter is 7 and always asks to listen to Dream Theater and Epica, plus she loves classical music. I'd say I'm creating my own little prog snobbess.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2017 at 00:35
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

 I think there's a woman playing in Steve Hackett's touring band... guitar I think. But still, I don't think it's a very prominent role, since you know who will play the more prominent guitar role. Now, about women getting a bigger role on certain genres... I wonder how many of them actually write their songs... or even do more than just sing.

There are many who both play instruments and write their own music.  Courtney Swain is a wonderful keyboardist and contributes to the song writing for Bent Knee (she and Levin started the band).  You will find that a lot of female artists who assume full creative control release albums in their own name. E.g. Bjork, Kate Bush, Tori Amos, Fiona Apple, Beth Hart.  Have you wondered if that might be because in a band set up, the male musicians don't want to give up control to the woman?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2017 at 04:21
Women are always in control, they just let us think we are.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2017 at 04:31
Originally posted by Big Ears Big Ears wrote:

Women are always in control, they just let us think we are.

Right, just saying it's not because they can't or don't want to write music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2017 at 05:41
Originally posted by Prog Snob Prog Snob wrote:

For the record, my daughter is 7 and always asks to listen to Dream Theater and Epica, plus she loves classical music. I'd say I'm creating my own little prog snobbess.


That's great! Best of luck pal Thumbs Up

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2017 at 21:42
Hmmm...I don't recognize the name. But there's only one other forum I post in regularly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2017 at 04:00
After six freaking pages have we managed to answer the original question?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2017 at 04:23
There's no answer. Trust me we have this discussion a couple of times a year.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2017 at 04:47
For the same reasons most girls don't play Dungeons and Dragons or become Tolkien fanatics. There is an elitism about it, something esoteric that most people do not get.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2017 at 06:44
Originally posted by Erwaco Erwaco wrote:

Perhaps their attention span can't relate to a seven minute song?


Well many girls liked Owner Of A Lonely Heart. And that is seven minutes long. And has five rhythm changes.

Formatted for radio my ... Here endedth the lesson.

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I think I may have mentioned this once aeons ago but at a Hammersmith Odeon gig there were rows of pretty young things really getting into the music. So much better for the senses than this all guys prog and metal thing.

Mick Jagger said it with "She's The Boss". And the heads of Heart... This is why Robt. Plant shared billing with Alison Krauss.

Still like someone advised, it is not a good idea to play Magma. There are limits. Elitism is a retreat not a pinnacle.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2017 at 08:40
Originally posted by Prog Snob Prog Snob wrote:

For the same reasons most girls don't play Dungeons and Dragons or become Tolkien fanatics. There is an elitism about it, something esoteric that most people do not get.


That seems like a rather lazy association of ideas. Very little Prog actually makes reference to Elves, Goblins, Wizards or other typical elements of fantasy literature. This is only true for post-punk music journalists, and girls are clearly way too smart to either read or believe them. Perhaps the knowing irony of someone fashioned as 'Prog Snob' is an elitism and esotericism that people do not get?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2017 at 08:58
Two, but what does that have to do with the question? The question concerns music not their overall ability to comprehend things. Do you have any daughters?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2017 at 09:21
Originally posted by Erwaco Erwaco wrote:

Two, but what does that have to do with the question? The question concerns music not their overall ability to comprehend things. Do you have any daughters?


The question concerns why a gender may not like a certain type of music. Is someone with a limited attention span by your definition exclusively  'female' and have a commensurate disadvantage to enjoying and appreciating organised sound? I don't really think you believe that and my family are none of your concern.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2017 at 13:31
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2017 at 16:55
Women don't have limited attention spans; on the very contrary, their attention span is much bigger than men's. Try taking care of a bunch of kids - an impossible task without a huge attention span.

I grew up with the music including some of the weirder stuff due to my brother who is ten years older than I am and whom I idolized when I was a kid.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 12 2017 at 02:55
We should change the name of this thread to The Battle of the Sexes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 12 2017 at 04:18
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Originally posted by Erwaco Erwaco wrote:

Perhaps their attention span can't relate to a seven minute song?
 I wonder if you have daughters.


Probably not, He would have to meet their mother first


Best answer so far into this thread LOLHugClap

But then again, the original comment was from someone called err-wacko TongueBig smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2017 at 11:48
I think a big part of it comes down to the era. Back in the day people tended to assume that rock music of all varieties was boys' music, made primarily by boys, whereas women listened to pop artists market to them - girl groups, teen heart-throbs, that sort of thing.

That started to change in the 1970s when you had artists like the Runaways or Siouxsie Sioux knocking down barriers, but it hasn't changed as much or as rapidly as you might think - even in much more recent years you had bands like Kittie where "they're a metal band but they're all women!" was considered unusual enough to be a marketing point, rather than being utterly unremarkable, and even today genres there's an ugly tendency to write off genres which are directed at a primarily female audience as having less artistic credibility.

In the case of prog, it arose when that gender divide was very much a thing, and it's kind of inherited that a little. Prog bands were mostly men, record companies mostly marketed prog to men and boys, and soon you get a self-fulfilling prophecy - a boys' club which by its nature feels far less welcoming to women than an arena where women are more visible both as artists and as audience members.

I think a lot of us, whatever our gender, wouldn't feel so comfortable at a gig if we felt like we were the odd audience member out - if everyone else you can see is a different gender than you, or a different race, or much older or younger than you, or dresses in a particular style, it can feel pretty isolating. That's not conducive to relaxing and enjoying the concert. Likewise, when I grew up if a boy admitted to liking particular types of pop music at school, he'd get a heap of absolutely appalling homophobic bullying because he liked "girls' stuff", and girls who liked rock music got a similar outsider status - peer pressure is a powerful thing.

How to change it? Support women making good prog, just as you'd promote men who made good prog, don't pass on a group just because their vocalist is a woman, and make concerts welcoming to women by ensuring that men who creep on female audience members get thrown out just as they would if they made the men in the audience uncomfortable. It's the same in pretty much any subculture that's trying to rebalance itself in a similar way.
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