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kugel
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Posted: May 01 2017 at 13:06 | ||
This has been the story of my life! So I grew up in Minneapolis, and moved here to Seattle only 2 years ago, when I was 40. I am very glad to report that at the Rush R40 show in 2015, and again just 2 nights ago at the Kansas show, I saw many more fellow female fans than I'm used to. I think a lot of it is sociological: The more gender-traditional your location, the less likely women are to do things unexpected of us. It is sad, to me at least, but I have seen many other examples of this throughout my life. I was the only woman I knew who went out for a bite to eat or a drink by myself, when I still lived in Mpls.; and that is also not the case here. Straight men are less freaked out by my behavior here. I could go on and on...
I have to add, I saw Yes alone in 1991 in downtown Minneapolis though, and trust me -- the situation now could be way, way worse. xD
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SteveG
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Posted: May 01 2017 at 13:07 | ||
MOTHER SUPERIOR JUMPED THE GUN: UNKNOWN ALL FEMALE PROG ROCK GROUP FROM THE 1970S
Seen here on an unknown TV show, the band does an original, almost Yes-like take on the Stephen Stills classic, “Love the One You’re With.” (Here’s a link to their interesting cover of the Beatles’ “Lady Madonna.”) Edited by SteveG - May 01 2017 at 13:09 |
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kugel
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Posted: May 01 2017 at 13:11 | ||
No offense, but I can totally dance to most prog I listen to. Up to and including Opeth. ;)
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Rednight
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 18 2014 Location: Mar Vista, CA Status: Offline Points: 4807 |
Posted: May 01 2017 at 14:19 | ||
So many responses here to laugh at (not with). And this thread apparently has legs. The answer is ... : Women in my sadly limited experience like music that's simple. It's as simple as that.
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"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno
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Dellinger
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Posted: May 01 2017 at 19:27 | ||
I think there's a woman playing in Steve Hackett's touring band... guitar I think. But still, I don't think it's a very prominent role, since you know who will play the more prominent guitar role. Now, about women getting a bigger role on certain genres... I wonder how many of them actually write their songs... or even do more than just sing. |
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mlkpad14
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Posted: May 01 2017 at 20:15 | ||
When I saw Hackett live, there was no woman on guitar... Does she play a big role in his concerts?
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NateHevens
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Posted: May 01 2017 at 21:05 | ||
Outside of Pop, I'd say that most of them do. In Rap, Hip Hop, and R&B, you actually have to at least be the most prominent part of your writing team to get any major respect within the community (it's a massive insult to say a Rap, Hip Hop, and/or R&B artist has ghost writers; which I realize seems odd considering sampling and all that, but sampling is considered part of the writing process in this context; please note that I'm not offering any opinions on the genres or artists, here). And it's a largely accepted convention in Rock, Blues, and Metal that you write your own music, or if you have a writing team, that writing team is your band. I know for a fact that guitarists like Chantel McGregor (Blues guitarist and singer/songwriter), Anna Calvi, Ava Mendoza, Kaki King, Marnie Stern, etc write their own music. Sometimes they have writing partners, but rarely, if ever, do they perform a song written by someone else, unless they're performing a cover (like when Chantel covers Led Zeppelin's Tea for One live... she probably has the most writing partners, but I know she writes most of her lyrics and solos and riffs herself; the partners will write drums and such). As for women who are vocalists in Prog... I don't know as much, but it honestly wouldn't surprise me if they did write at least some of the songs they sing, if not being a constant part of the writing process for all the music. I think Pop is the only genre where the artist not writing their own songs is the convention.
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irrelevant
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Posted: May 02 2017 at 07:33 | ||
Glad to see the forum hasn't changed...
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Dellinger
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Posted: May 02 2017 at 21:26 | ||
Well, she (Amanda Lehmann) is credited as part of her band on the Rails Live album, and as a special guest on the Genesis Revisited albums, as well as the last "The Total Experience" one. I guess I would need to get some DVD's of those concerts and see how much she does. |
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Thatfabulousalien
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Posted: May 02 2017 at 22:28 | ||
Why don't many progs like girls?
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Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: May 03 2017 at 05:20 | ||
There's a scientific study on estrogen levels in musicians that use Rickenbacker basses and mellotrons. The answer was curiously 42.
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Erwaco
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Posted: May 06 2017 at 11:46 | ||
Perhaps their attention span can't relate to a seven minute song?
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Prog Sothoth
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Posted: May 06 2017 at 13:56 | ||
I'm finding out there's more female prog musicians and fans out there than I thought, and most of them seem to be in Japan. Sure there's the classic all-girl acts like Ars Nova and Angel'n Heavy Syrup, but man a lot of all-girl math rock bands or math bands that include women musicians seem to be sprouting up bigtime. Tricot is one of the more well known ones out there:
This group should probably be here in PA, along with some others like paranoid void and Aquarifa. There's a slew of all female power metal bands out there as well, plus some metal acts with female players that are starting to steer into prog territory. The band Octaviagrace's guitarist is one hell of a talented woman (love her): Japan baby...that's where you'll find no shortage of female prog fans.
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cstack3
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Posted: May 06 2017 at 15:58 | ||
My wife clearly likes prog!
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Formentera Lady
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Posted: May 07 2017 at 03:47 | ||
Hi Kugel, welcome to the forum! Glad to see another fellow-woman here! I agree that a lot of it is sociological. Others pointed out that there are female progressive rock artists in Japan. I am a German currently living in Japan. When I go to progressive rock concerts in Germany it is like 70 % male in the audience and 30 % female. Here in Japan I went to see King Crimson, ARW, KBB, ptf and Shingetsu and my impression is, the audience is more equally distributed, like 50/50! I even had to wait in front of the toilets (unbelievable)! There seems to be something in the Western culture that says, that listening to or playing prog rock is somehow 'non-women-like'... |
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Prog Snob
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Posted: May 07 2017 at 04:34 | ||
The woman I just started talking to on OK Cupid listed progressive rock and metal as genres of music she listens to.
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A_Flower
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Posted: May 07 2017 at 08:19 | ||
It may also concern, as before mentioned, that men already are the main frontrunners of the genre. As well as this, there are many love songs being from men towards women. But then again, it could be people in general. Many people have short attention spans these days.
I know a girl who likes Pink Floyd and loves Rush, and this is not the mainstream aspect for her favorite Rush songs are The Camera Eye and By-Tor. I also once showed a girl Gentle Giant and she absolutely loved it. (But, as a rare occasion, it might have been me who she actually absolutely loved) |
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timothy leary
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Posted: May 07 2017 at 08:21 | ||
I wonder if you have daughters.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: May 07 2017 at 08:22 | ||
I played Tarkus to a girl once. I never saw her again.
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Aussie-Byrd-Brother
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Posted: May 07 2017 at 08:48 | ||
Girls have enough to worry about with smelling funny and having cooties.
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