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I think Novella get overlooked. Almost as good as the three that preceded it. 
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I just picked up "Live at Carnegie Hall" the other day. Wow. A pretty amazing record with the exception of the 5 minute bass solo
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I always go back to Ashes Are Burning. I'm still stunned by the intro to Can You Understand?, and the fact that this album was the prototype for the classics that followed from Turn Of The Cards through to Novella.
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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Back on track - listened to Turn Of The Cards yesterday, first time in a few years tbh, and it is still a FLAWLESS album. Definitely remains my top Renaissance album. From the direct simplicity of I Think Of You, through the sadness of Cold Is Being to the gripping epic Mother Russia. Just wonderful. Annie's voice can induce tears. Most beautiful voice I've ever heard. Sure prefer it to death-growls

 
Same here, re the last line, and I do like death growls.
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Back on track - listened to Turn Of The Cards yesterday, first time in a few years tbh, and it is still a FLAWLESS album. Definitely remains my top Renaissance album. From the direct simplicity of I Think Of You, through the sadness of Cold Is Being to the gripping epic Mother Russia. Just wonderful. Annie's voice can induce tears. Most beautiful voice I've ever heard. Sure prefer it to death-growls


Turn of the Cards has always been my favorite Renaissance album also.....Mother Russia and Black Flame are my personal favorites.....but Ashes Are Burning and of course Scheherazade are also excellent.
Yes, yes indeed. These 3 you mentioned. A triptych of perfection
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Originally posted by doompaul doompaul wrote:


I just picked up "Live at Carnegie Hall" the other day. Wow. A pretty amazing record with the exception of the 5 minute bass solo


It's taken me some time, but I have really warmed up to the bass solo (I believe you mean the one on Ashes are Burning), specially since the song in general is really great, and the other added solos (specially piano) are really great. And what a way to make up for the lack of electric guitar for the solo at the end of the song, having Annie sing it instead. I guess it bothers me more the several minutes of the spoken tale of Scheherazade before the song begings (it's actually interesting to know what's going on in the story of the song... but once you already know it you don't really want to keep on listening to it every time).
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I just picked up "Live at Carnegie Hall" the other day. Wow. A pretty amazing record with the exception of the 5 minute bass solo
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Back on track - listened to Turn Of The Cards yesterday, first time in a few years tbh, and it is still a FLAWLESS album. Definitely remains my top Renaissance album. From the direct simplicity of I Think Of You, through the sadness of Cold Is Being to the gripping epic Mother Russia. Just wonderful. Annie's voice can induce tears. Most beautiful voice I've ever heard. Sure prefer it to death-growls

Turn of the Cards has always been my favorite Renaissance album also.....Mother Russia and Black Flame are my personal favorites.....but Ashes Are Burning and of course Scheherazade are also excellent.
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I have a real soft spot for Renaissance.

Ashes are burning is their best IMO, followed by Turn of the cards and Scherezade. Good band with a wonerful singer.

Live at Carnegie Hall is also an excellent live album.
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Back on track - listened to Turn Of The Cards yesterday, first time in a few years tbh, and it is still a FLAWLESS album. Definitely remains my top Renaissance album. From the direct simplicity of I Think Of You, through the sadness of Cold Is Being to the gripping epic Mother Russia. Just wonderful. Annie's voice can induce tears. Most beautiful voice I've ever heard. Sure prefer it to death-growls
 
Same here, re the last line, and I do like death growls.
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Back on track - listened to Turn Of The Cards yesterday, first time in a few years tbh, and it is still a FLAWLESS album. Definitely remains my top Renaissance album. From the direct simplicity of I Think Of You, through the sadness of Cold Is Being to the gripping epic Mother Russia. Just wonderful. Annie's voice can induce tears. Most beautiful voice I've ever heard. Sure prefer it to death-growls
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

^ Cool !! I dig Kajagoogoo - synth-pop with amazing musicianship (yes, particularly Nick Beggs on bass) but really colourful and detailed music. Not a far cry from Camera Camera Renaissance. I'm not too picky on exclusive-to-the-era sounds, fashions and so forth. All time frames offer their quirks.
A brief overview on my tastes :
SADE - Diamond Life
JAPAN - Gentlemen Take Polaroids
KING CRIMSON - Discipline
RENAISSANCE - Camera Camera
HAWKWIND - The Chronicle Of The Black Sword (even better, Live Chronicles)
OZRIC TENTACLES - Pungent Effulgent
MARILLION - Fugazi
TWELFTH NIGHT - Fact And Fiction
I.Q. - Tales From The Lush Attic
KAJAGOOGOO - Islands
ANTHRAX - Among The Living
SHUB NIGGURATH - Les Morts Vont Vite
IRON MAIDEN - Somewhere In Time
RUSH - Moving Pictures
YES - Drama
............to name a few of 80's awesomeness.

Of those, I like the Maiden, Rush, SN, Marillion and KC albums.  Oh, Anthrax too.  Even in Marillion, the 80s sound is very pronounced but maybe the Genesis influence forgives much.
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^ Cool !! I dig Kajagoogoo - synth-pop with amazing musicianship (yes, particularly Nick Beggs on bass) but really colourful and detailed music. Not a far cry from Camera Camera Renaissance. I'm not too picky on exclusive-to-the-era sounds, fashions and so forth. All time frames offer their quirks.
A brief overview on my tastes :
SADE - Diamond Life
JAPAN - Gentlemen Take Polaroids
KING CRIMSON - Discipline
RENAISSANCE - Camera Camera
HAWKWIND - The Chronicle Of The Black Sword (even better, Live Chronicles)
OZRIC TENTACLES - Pungent Effulgent
MARILLION - Fugazi
TWELFTH NIGHT - Fact And Fiction
I.Q. - Tales From The Lush Attic
KAJAGOOGOO - Islands
ANTHRAX - Among The Living
SHUB NIGGURATH - Les Morts Vont Vite
IRON MAIDEN - Somewhere In Time
RUSH - Moving Pictures
YES - Drama
............to name a few of 80's awesomeness.
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

^ That's a fair call.
However, the music on Camera Camera is anything but simplistic. Still has 'Prog' written all over it, even if dressed up in 80's colours. I don't mind the synths. Tyrant-Tula has a definite nod to their 70's stylings. And Okichi-San, I regard, is up there with Mother Russia etc. etc.    (Why Mother Russia ? - it's my absolute, top favourite track from Renaissance, Turn Of The Cards being my 6-out-of-5 album).

I didn't mean that it's all pop, rather that it has a strong synth pop influence which doesn't agree with me.  As I said, maybe if I had grown up on that music, I would have a different view. Barring a few exceptions like Kate Bush or Prefab Sprout, most of the 80s rock/pop music I like is guitar oriented.
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^ That's a fair call.
However, the music on Camera Camera is anything but simplistic. Still has 'Prog' written all over it, even if dressed up in 80's colours. I don't mind the synths. Tyrant-Tula has a definite nod to their 70's stylings. And Okichi-San, I regard, is up there with Mother Russia etc. etc.    (Why Mother Russia ? - it's my absolute, top favourite track from Renaissance, Turn Of The Cards being my 6-out-of-5 album).
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Camera Camera was the comeback album for Renaissance, showing that they could in fact move with the times while still retain some of their strengths  I was in college and succeeded in turning a few friends onto Renaissance in time for their concert appearance in Ottawa.  The local FM station gave them a lot of support.  Somehow it was not to be, and they are remembered as trying to sell out and failing.  I was thinking about this - it's funny how if a band succeeds commercially it's somehow ok, but if they try and fail they are ridiculed.  A lot of it is just luck and promotion or lack thereof. 





At least progarchives is pretty indiscriminate on this aspect.  Anything that smells like pop will get trashed (see 80s Genesis).  My own complaint with Camera Camera is it's kind of all over the place. I think Dunford wanted to maintain a progressive approach while embracing 80s sounds and a more irreverent flavour while Camp went all out 80s.  So I like Okichi San and the title track but Running Away from You is just too pop for me.  Unfortunately, they titled much more towards the latter style on Timeline.  I also love the melody of Remember but can't abide by the keyboards.  That's something that's hard to relate for people like me who did not spend their teen/adolescent years in the 80s.  I can't assimilate those keyboard sounds no matter what.  I do like a lot of 80s albums but they are mostly the ones which didn't go for the synth pop sound.
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^ Flight - yes indeed !! Classic, right there. If only the entire album was of that quality.
And I concur - the songs often start out promising, but fizzle out into average fare - still, Jon Camp's bass playing saves the day in most cases. Richard The IX is unbelievably cheeze-pop, especially the 'wah-wah wah-oooh' chorus backing. Possibly the weakest moment for the band IMO.
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agreed.  I think they had the right idea with Time Line, but the songs are weaker.  A lot of then start off good but don't develop.  A big exception is the opening number "Flight", which is absolutely superb
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Time-Line was also a decent offering, though not as special as Camera Camera.
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Camera Camera was the comeback album for Renaissance, showing that they could in fact move with the times while still retain some of their strengths  I was in college and succeeded in turning a few friends onto Renaissance in time for their concert appearance in Ottawa.  The local FM station gave them a lot of support.  Somehow it was not to be, and they are remembered as trying to sell out and failing.  I was thinking about this - it's funny how if a band succeeds commercially it's somehow ok, but if they try and fail they are ridiculed.  A lot of it is just luck and promotion or lack thereof. 
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