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Poll Question: Who would you vote for?
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25 [41.67%]
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2016 at 08:31
I'm in the wrong country to vote, but I picked Sanders.
Amazingly on another forum one person was gushing over Hilary as it will be a "dynasty" in politics!
I said to them there were still places available in North Korea if they want that sort of thing.
Given that we'll all "die nasty" anyway if she or Trump get in!
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"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2016 at 08:42
Refreshing to see Trump does not have any votes. That's what I like to see.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2016 at 08:53
Originally posted by zappaholic zappaholic wrote:

Giant Meteor doesn't discriminate. He kills caucasians, asians, muslims, latinos, blacks, everybody the same. 

Ergo, Giant Meteor > Trump 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2016 at 11:32
Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Originally posted by Pastmaster Pastmaster wrote:

The two I would want, John Mcafee and Austin Petersen, lost the libertarian primaries. I really wouldn't want to vote for anyone else.


Really, you liked the blogger and the guy with a unsolved murder in his past better than Gary Johnson?

Johnson should be included as an option in this poll, by the way.  Will be on the ballot in all 50 states.

Yes, because I agree with their views more than Johnson. I know if I were a business I wouldn't want to be forced to make something against my will. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2016 at 11:54
Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

White middle class male female voting for Bernie followed by the unappealing but better than the alternative Hellary
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2016 at 12:24
Originally posted by Pastmaster Pastmaster wrote:

Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Originally posted by Pastmaster Pastmaster wrote:

The two I would want, John Mcafee and Austin Petersen, lost the libertarian primaries. I really wouldn't want to vote for anyone else.


Really, you liked the blogger and the guy with a unsolved murder in his past better than Gary Johnson?

Johnson should be included as an option in this poll, by the way.  Will be on the ballot in all 50 states.

Yes, because I agree with their views more than Johnson. I know if I were a business I wouldn't want to be forced to make something against my will. 

Eh? Would you like to run that past the boys and girls again, this time with a little more explanation... Who is being forced to make something against their will? ... and while you're at it, what precisely is this 'something' they are being forced to make?

This seems a somewhat farcical method for deciding which 'also ran' candidate to vote for.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2016 at 12:26
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Pastmaster Pastmaster wrote:

Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Originally posted by Pastmaster Pastmaster wrote:

The two I would want, John Mcafee and Austin Petersen, lost the libertarian primaries. I really wouldn't want to vote for anyone else.


Really, you liked the blogger and the guy with a unsolved murder in his past better than Gary Johnson?

Johnson should be included as an option in this poll, by the way.  Will be on the ballot in all 50 states.

Yes, because I agree with their views more than Johnson. I know if I were a business I wouldn't want to be forced to make something against my will. 

Eh? Would you like to run that past the boys and girls again, this time with a little more explanation... Who is being forced to make something against their will? ... and while you're at it, what precisely is this 'something' they are being forced to make?

This seems a somewhat farcical method for deciding which 'also ran' candidate to vote for.

I am assuming it is a right-libertarian "government regulations = forcing me to do things" type thing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2016 at 13:04
Or if Giant Meteor is not to your liking, this guy's running again:

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2016 at 13:41
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Pastmaster Pastmaster wrote:

Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Originally posted by Pastmaster Pastmaster wrote:

The two I would want, John Mcafee and Austin Petersen, lost the libertarian primaries. I really wouldn't want to vote for anyone else.


Really, you liked the blogger and the guy with a unsolved murder in his past better than Gary Johnson?

Johnson should be included as an option in this poll, by the way.  Will be on the ballot in all 50 states.

Yes, because I agree with their views more than Johnson. I know if I were a business I wouldn't want to be forced to make something against my will. 

Eh? Would you like to run that past the boys and girls again, this time with a little more explanation... Who is being forced to make something against their will? ... and while you're at it, what precisely is this 'something' they are being forced to make?

This seems a somewhat farcical method for deciding which 'also ran' candidate to vote for.

Johnson wants to force companies to do things for people against their will, such as forcing a Christian baker to bake a cake for gay people. While I of course am against bigotry like that, you've got to let businesses run themselves. Hopefully, smart consumers will start boycotting the business and get it to change their ways or go out of business. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2016 at 14:03
Originally posted by zappaholic zappaholic wrote:

Or if Giant Meteor is not to your liking, this guy's running again:


He can't lose again. His message is just too appealing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2016 at 14:03
Yes, the presidency of the USA has to be decided on the issue of bakers making cakes for the "wrong" people...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2016 at 14:07
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Yes, the presidency of the USA has to be decided on the issue of bakers making cakes for the "wrong" people...

That's not the only reason I supported those candidates of course, and that was just an example that was brought up during the libertarian debates. It's also not just about "cakes", it could be applied to any business. Would you want to be forced to sell or do something for your worst enemy?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2016 at 14:25
Originally posted by Pastmaster Pastmaster wrote:

Hopefully, smart consumers will start boycotting the business and get it to change their ways or go out of business. 

Because the average consumer has the same economic power as a business, not to mention the time and money to spend learning and acting on such things.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2016 at 14:30
Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

Originally posted by Pastmaster Pastmaster wrote:

Hopefully, smart consumers will start boycotting the business and get it to change their ways or go out of business. 

Because the average consumer has the same economic power as a business, not to mention the time and money to spend learning and acting on such things.

Consumers do have the choice to not support a business. Yes, one person can't make a difference, but if consumers as a whole start a boycott a smart business will respond to that and fix whatever the problem consumers are having. Now, that's not to say there aren't business that have shady ways of making money, but in theory what I'm saying should work.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2016 at 14:47
"Constantly voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil" - Jerry Garcia
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2016 at 15:03
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2016 at 15:06
Originally posted by Pastmaster Pastmaster wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Yes, the presidency of the USA has to be decided on the issue of bakers making cakes for the "wrong" people...

That's not the only reason I supported those candidates of course, and that was just an example that was brought up during the libertarian debates. It's also not just about "cakes", it could be applied to any business. Would you want to be forced to sell or do something for your worst enemy?
I know you probably didn't mean, but that made it sound as if gays are religious people's worst enemy. 

Though I'd agree religious people of the type that motivate this discussion on cakes and related are progress' worst enemy. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2016 at 15:18
Originally posted by Pastmaster Pastmaster wrote:

Consumers do have the choice to not support a business. Yes, one person can't make a difference, but if consumers as a whole start a boycott a smart business will respond to that and fix whatever the problem consumers are having. Now, that's not to say there aren't business that have shady ways of making money, but in theory what I'm saying should work.

I don't think consumers have much choice at all. I cannot willfully choose to buy from ethical companies all the time or even as often as possible because i don't have 100% knowledge or the money and time to invest in such endeavors. And consumers as a whole are not copies of me either. Boycotts/strikes are good for supporting workers who are seeking concessions because there is a more immediate effect, but there is no way for the entire population to act in a way that could be equal to, say, regulations put into place to protect the environment.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2016 at 15:20
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Pastmaster Pastmaster wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Yes, the presidency of the USA has to be decided on the issue of bakers making cakes for the "wrong" people...

That's not the only reason I supported those candidates of course, and that was just an example that was brought up during the libertarian debates. It's also not just about "cakes", it could be applied to any business. Would you want to be forced to sell or do something for your worst enemy?
I know you probably didn't mean, but that made it sound as if gays are religious people's worst enemy. 

Though I'd agree religious people of the type that motivate this discussion on cakes and related are progress' worst enemy. 

Gays are certainly not religious people's worst enemy, maybe a better example is a Jew doing something or selling something to a neo-nazi. I know if I was Jewish, I wouldn't want to do something nice for someone who would support the eradication of people of my faith.
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