I think they should be here but so many have said nay, that I really don't give a crap anymore.  Having said that. I am reading Complicated Game.  It's a great read and I highly recommend it

Dean wrote: moshkito wrote: [QUOTE=moshkito]  It all becomes ... I like it therefore it's good, and the rest is not up to snuff. I (STILL) do not like Gentle Giant, but I will never EVER, not appreciate the amazing and incredible musicianship in them, and what they did with it!  Relevancy? Nothing here is about good or bad music, or whether you like something or not. If you think that is how this site and its members operate then you will never understand anything here.

This is absolutely correct.  As a former genre teamer I can assure you we do not base our votes on whether we like the music.  Not at all.  I voted Yes on stuff I thought sucked.  I voted No on some stuff I really loved.  It boils down to trying one's best to decide whether the music fits the genre definition collaboratively arrived at by multiple members, past and present.  The definitions are broad in most cases and occasionally can be revised.

I can't really speak much about the PR and PP categories as I have little experience in those areas but I can tell you that in most if not all genre categories, members go out of their way to be inclusive and if involved in a very difficult eval, to error on the side of the band. 

Sorry, I guess that wasn't much help about XTC, but I want to make sure you don't have the impression we simply "vote for the bands we like".  That's false. 


Edited by Finnforest - April 20 2016 at 12:59

Finnforest wrote: Dean wrote: moshkito wrote: [QUOTE=moshkito]  It all becomes ... I like it therefore it's good, and the rest is not up to snuff. I (STILL) do not like Gentle Giant, but I will never EVER, not appreciate the amazing and incredible musicianship in them, and what they did with it!  Relevancy? Nothing here is about good or bad music, or whether you like something or not. If you think that is how this site and its members operate then you will never understand anything here.  This is absolutely correct.  As a former genre teamer I can assure you we do not base our votes on whether we like the music.  Not at all.  I voted Yes on stuff I thought sucked.  I voted No on some stuff I really loved.  It boils down to trying one's best to decide whether the music fits the genre definition collaboratively arrived at by multiple members, past and present.  The definitions are broad in most cases and occasionally can be revised. ...

dr wu23 wrote: Slartibartfast wrote: I think they should be here but so many have said nay, that I really don't give a crap anymore.  Having said that. I am reading Complicated Game.  It's a great read and I highly recommend it   Thanks for mentioning that book...did not know about it......I'll be ordering it for sure.   Oh....and I  agree about the inclusion here at PA.

I'm on the last few pages myself. Excellent read. Song Stories was more complete but this one goes into such great depth about just a select few songs. Andy's way of describing the creative process is riveting. This could be Volume 1 of several hundred and I'd read them all.

uduwudu wrote: So, at the risk of being on topic, are XTC to be included on PA?

They haven't been suggested for prog related (as far as I know), which would be their only real shot. For that to happen a special collaborator needs to suggest them for inclusion to the admin team. The admin team will then listen intently to the music and subsequently decide whether or not XTC should be here.



Edited by Guldbamsen - April 23 2016 at 03:21

^ Or an SC can spontaneously decide to submit an artist for ProgRelated evaluation.   But that hasn't occurred since the Carter administration.

miamiscot wrote: Politics.

Dean wrote: Guldbamsen wrote: uduwudu wrote: So, at the risk of being on topic, are XTC to be included on PA? They haven't been suggested for prog related (as far as I know), which would be their only real shot. For that to happen a special collaborator needs to suggest them for inclusion to the admin team. The admin team will then listen intently to the music and subsequently decide whether or not XTC should be here. I've yet to see compelling case made that would convince an SC to suggest them. dr wu23 wrote: Slartibartfast wrote: I think they should be here but so many have said nay, that I really don't give a crap anymore.  ::snip::  :: snip:: Oh....and I  agree about the inclusion here at PA. It doesn't matter how many people think they should or should not be here, additions are not by a poll or popular-vote and PR suggestions to the Admin are not by majority-vote. It is only when the Admins evaluate a PR suggestion from an SC that a vote is taken, and since there are 4 Admins who would vote on PR additions then a 3 yes votes are required... So basically you need to convince 4 people (1 SC and 3 Admins) that XTC should be here, and that requires presenting a case for why they should be here that goes way beyond "I think they should be here" and "Well, Talking Heads are here...".

Oh, thanks. It's no bother really if XTC are here or not (I can always hoof off to the All Music Guide). But the compelling case would be interesting. Prog bands like ELP and XTC... now we are getting slightly bizarre... ;) Heh, it'd be amusing if the Dukes Of Stratophear were included but not XTC. 

Interesting side note - in the book "Complicated Game", when the author/interviewer tells Andy Partridge that the guitar solo on "2 Rainbeau Melt" (Fuzzy Warbles Vol. 7) reminds him of Robert Fripp, he admits he has maybe heard half a dozen songs with Robert Fripp on them. He doesn't own a King Crimson album or any album with Fripp on it. He didn't know that Fripp played on Bowie's Heroes or Scary Monsters. He does love the solo on 21st Century Schizoid Man though.

On the other hand, one of his biggest influences was Be-Bop Deluxe.

Just some interesting facts that may or may not influence one's opinion as to whether they are Prog or not.

Personally, the last time this was discussed I was all in for their inclusion. Now I say no way. I don't want all my favorites to be considered Prog! I would feel so one-dimensional!