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Meltdowner
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Posted: March 14 2016 at 07:39 |
I don't find them particularly great but I enjoy their music and that album has an obscure mood I like. Saying that electronic music wouldn't exist without them is an overstatement, in my opinion but I think their work was fundamental for the creation of Synthpop and New Wave.
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Son.of.Tiresias
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Posted: March 14 2016 at 07:14 |
Davesax1965 wrote:
Son.of.Tiresias wrote:
haters go hate, usually having no idea about the subject really... as interesting as watch a dog boob |
No, it's not "haters go hate" - it's not that simple. From a musical perspective, they are the antithesis of prog rock. Everything is remarkably simple and predictable. Contrast and compare to Tangerine Dream - who are simple enough in places (up until the late 70's).
This is not "haters go hate" - or "having no idea about the subject. " I think I know what I'm talking about here, having just built a Eurorack modular at component level.
Kraftwerk used a very simple setup, wrote very simple, populist tunes (at least in later life) - it's basically electronic pop and no longer serious music. It may have been revolutionary in some ways, but just using a synth was deemed "revolutionary" for some bands in the 1970's. Much, much more musically revolutionary stuff came out of Germany in the late 60's and 70's.
I can play Autobahn with one hand. It's deliberately composed ("no idea about the subject") not to use any of the "difficult black keys". It neither excites or challenges me. I'd say I was just "bored" by it, but all the media circus around it leads me to a conclusion that I "dislike" it. It's really just fluff propped up by marketing.
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Very well, your opinion, you explained it well. It was my joke  OK. Still, why do hate them or anything that is in their primary level. Unless they can make huge money for somebody elseīs work. Surely they were below the average German prog at the beginning but they were experimental, nevertheless n their own way. They werenīt the brightest of the genre for sure. They may even have tought that they really were progressive, perhaps namely because were using simplest gear. And because of that they may have even been very proud of their work. This of course has nothing to with real gift or creativity. They thought being cool but actually werenīt. U sually naive people think being really good.
I mean, I can play the famous solo of Steve Hackettīs finest, namely "Firth of Fifth" very very good. I can copy note by note perfectly but this has nothing to do with real talent, it may actually sound very clumsy to a trained ear and a true musician.
First, I ainīt no expert on electronic (rock) music either, I just occasionally listen some Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze but the first from TD is intorerable, also "Alpha Centauri" is quite boring but their mid-seventies albums are getting interesting... I never took Kraftwerk so seriously really and wasted no more time with their albums. They turned into electronical pop for sure. Actually they invented "computer rock/pop", music done by machines ? As I said I ainīt do specialist but Kraftwerk were pioneers in programmed/computerized pop ? So they were kinda forerunners on serious computer music, actually funny impression ? Well, they turned into banality nevertheless.
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Flight123
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Posted: March 14 2016 at 07:14 |
It was certainly a dip between Autobahn and TEE - one of those transitional albums.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: March 14 2016 at 04:22 |
I would like to hear a band/artist, that can replicate Metroplolis................
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Davesax1965
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Posted: March 14 2016 at 03:43 |
If it wasn't for Kraftwerk, electronic music most likely wouldn't exist. Also, Kraftwerk did it best. 
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Perhaps reading up on the history of electronic music would be useful, here. ;-)
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Davesax1965
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Posted: March 14 2016 at 03:42 |
Son.of.Tiresias wrote:
haters go hate, usually having no idea about the subject really... as interesting as watch a dog boob |
No, it's not "haters go hate" - it's not that simple. From a musical perspective, they are the antithesis of prog rock. Everything is remarkably simple and predictable. Contrast and compare to Tangerine Dream - who are simple enough in places (up until the late 70's).
This is not "haters go hate" - or "having no idea about the subject. " I think I know what I'm talking about here, having just built a Eurorack modular at component level.
Kraftwerk used a very simple setup, wrote very simple, populist tunes (at least in later life) - it's basically electronic pop and no longer serious music. It may have been revolutionary in some ways, but just using a synth was deemed "revolutionary" for some bands in the 1970's. Much, much more musically revolutionary stuff came out of Germany in the late 60's and 70's.
I can play Autobahn with one hand. It's deliberately composed ("no idea about the subject") not to use any of the "difficult black keys". It neither excites or challenges me. I'd say I was just "bored" by it, but all the media circus around it leads me to a conclusion that I "dislike" it. It's really just fluff propped up by marketing.
Edited by Davesax1965 - March 14 2016 at 03:47
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: March 13 2016 at 13:17 |
Sheavy wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
I got the general idea with "Autobahn" and never listened again. Until now, of course. I listened again, heard that cheap Casio and metronomic drum machine crap and decided I was right the first go round. |
A casio? In 1974?
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They were crappy ahead of the crappy curve.
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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Sheavy
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Posted: March 13 2016 at 13:10 |
The Dark Elf wrote:
I got the general idea with "Autobahn" and never listened again. Until now, of course. I listened again, heard that cheap Casio and metronomic drum machine crap and decided I was right the first go round. |
A casio? In 1974?
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Posted: March 13 2016 at 12:52 |
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revolutionary? Even? Pfff... there is a picture of Kraftwerk in the definition of revolutionary in the musical dictionary 
to say they were ahead of their time sells them short IMO.
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If it wasn't for Kraftwerk, electronic music most likely wouldn't exist. Also, Kraftwerk did it best. 
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: March 13 2016 at 12:32 |
I got the general idea with "Autobahn" and never listened again. Until now, of course. I listened again, heard that cheap Casio and metronomic drum machine crap and decided I was right the first go round.
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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Son.of.Tiresias
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Posted: March 13 2016 at 11:42 |
haters go hate, usually having no idea about the subject really... as interesting as watch a dog poop
Edited by Son.of.Tiresias - June 01 2016 at 14:11
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You may see a smile on Tony Banksī face but thatīs unlikely.
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micky
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Posted: March 13 2016 at 06:44 |
revolutionary? Even? Pfff... there is a picture of Kraftwerk in the definition of revolutionary in the musical dictionary  to say they were ahead of their time sells them short IMO.
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: March 13 2016 at 06:24 |
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I do wish people would stop linking all German 1970's bands under one arbitrary label.
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I use the term 'Krautrock' firmly applying to their first 3 albums - maybe Side 2 of Autobahn too. Then they went all 'electronic' and 'robotic', but I never considered them 'selling out', just 'progressing'. Revolutionary even.
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Davesax1965
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Posted: March 13 2016 at 05:08 |
Yeah, probably true. I just hate them on principle. ;-)
Not everything has to make sense. ;-)
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Posted: March 13 2016 at 05:05 |
Davesax1965 wrote:
I do wish people would stop linking all German 1970's bands under one arbitrary label.
Hi Cristi - nooo, it's not that, it's what they become.
Autobahn was reasonably good, but the whole musical ethos behind Kraftwerk becomes, in my opinion anyway, completely wrong. The whole thing stinks of commercial sellout and being a cheap trick. It's not what it was, but what it becomes which makes my lip furl up. |
well, even though Man Machine and Computer World were easy listen albums, they're still unique and original IMO.
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Davesax1965
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Posted: March 13 2016 at 04:59 |
I do wish people would stop linking all German 1970's bands under one arbitrary label.
Hi Cristi - nooo, it's not that, it's what they become.
Autobahn was reasonably good, but the whole musical ethos behind Kraftwerk becomes, in my opinion anyway, completely wrong. The whole thing stinks of commercial sellout and being a cheap trick. It's not what it was, but what it becomes which makes my lip furl up.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: March 13 2016 at 01:52 |
^ Firmly Krautrock of the highest order - up there with Can, Duul, Tempel etc.
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Posted: March 13 2016 at 01:49 |
Davesax1965 wrote:
Can't stand Kraftwerk. Simplistic, pop, nope, not for me.
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their early albums were experimental, psychedelic so you might reconsider if you try them out.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: March 13 2016 at 01:41 |
This, too, is my least favourite Kraftwerk album from the 70's. I think perhaps because it's more song-oriented. Still some good stuff on it. On-par with Computerworld and Electric Cafe for me. But I simply obsess over the debut - nothing beats Von Himmel Hoch, or Ruckzuck.
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verslibre
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Posted: March 13 2016 at 01:20 |
I don't think anyone "hates" Radioaktivitat Kraftwerk fans like pretty much everything they've done. That said, I used to like them more than I do now. I think they peaked with The Man-Machine (1979) and have never matched it.
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