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Poll Question: Which is your favorite music medium?
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    Posted: December 18 2004 at 17:01
I love vinyl. Yes, i realize that CDs are smaller and tend to have better sound quality, but there's nothing like the sound and feel of a good old vinyl album. Its just something about feeling the actual record in your hand and knowing thats its the real, authentic thing. Somehow I feel so much more satisfied when I play, oh, Trick of the Tail on my turntable as opposed to my cd player in my car. I love the crackle, I love watch the needle ride along the record, slowly making its way to the center. Its nice to know how the actual technology of a vinyl record works too... well I understand it better than CDs anyway, and you can see it working right in front of you. Being a 17 year old in 2004, i always see my age-group peers with burnt copies of their favorite musicians, who tend to suck. Where's the authenticity, where's the RESPECT!? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2004 at 18:55
vinyl, brand new, have the best sound
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2004 at 19:21
It is just such a pity that digital formats came along to dominate the market place , around the time when plastics scientists could have replaced such an inferior material as vinyl chloride/acetate copolymer for 12" micro-grooved LPs. Relatively soft, creeps, heat distorts, poor scratch resistance haunt vinyl, and provide the weak point between deck and styllus - btw anybody afford the laser reading equipment for micro-groove records now on the marketplace for what seems at least 3500 quid?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2004 at 19:23
Strangely enough for recording purposes and show recording play-back I use MDs, (so about equal use with CDs and vinyl about 10% of the time).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2004 at 20:23

Nothing beats that warm tone produced from a vinyl.  If vinyls were portable I sure would have a lot more. That doesn't stop me from collecting though. 

 Just picked up the first Utopia album yesterday on vinyl for a buck

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2004 at 01:12
Only shortcoming of vinyl is, of course, its lack of movable flexibility. Nice thing about mp3 tech is that you can move sound from your CDs to your comp and back again, to an mp3 player, and over the internet to friends.

I got Rush's new album Feedback on vinyl today and I had never gotten a brand new album like that before... I was stunned by how clean the record sounded! Feedback wouldn't necessarily be considered the best album ever, but its not bad.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2004 at 02:59
You asked for my favorite so I put Vinyl. I use CD's much more often and they are more convienient. Vinyl is my favorite though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2004 at 08:51
CD for ease of use.

Ripping all my ELP and Rush cds onto my hard drive and hitting the random button....heaven.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2004 at 09:01

I can't stand the hiss and crackle that vinyl produces, although I miss the cover art.

What I want is completely solid state media that is the size of these little cards for digital cameras, that can store an entire album in 6-channel sound, each channel recorded at 24-bits or more, plus high resolution cover art, articles, perhaps even videos of the band and interviews, which can be displayed or projected onto a very large screen.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2004 at 09:45
I predict that CDs won't have half the popular lifespan that vinyl records did. Not including 78s and earlier record speeds, I think its safe to say that 45s and 33s became the main music medium in the 50s. Now, CDs started to dominate the marketplace in the late 80s. So, for convenience sake, lets say records were in large circulation for about a forty year period. Now CDs have been dominating the marketplace for about fifteen years, 1990-2005. With the way technology is developing, I have a hard time seeing CDs being the musical mainstay up until 2030. I think that mp3 formatted devices that aren't stratchable/breakable like CDs will start to take over... in whatever form they may be.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2004 at 11:54

I love vinyl, it's my listening choice when I have a lot of time to indulge in listening to music. It's sweeter warmer and is less prone to causing fatigue in the listener, which CDs definitely do.

However, having said that to do my vinyl justice I have had to invest many thousands of euro on expensive hi-fi equipment. My pre and powers, separate phone stage, lp12 and floorstanders are  not transportable, were expensive, vinyl is awkward and prone to damage.

For a minimal reduction in listening pleasure, I can play CDs on relatively cheap equipment (my cd player cost €400 my turntable three or four times that) and it sounds as good as listening to vinyl on equipment many times the price. I can play cds in the car on a walkman, anywhere.

Vinyl is gorgeous (not least for the accompanying artwork) but I'm sorry to say convenience alone means that CD is the one.

I am, however, looking forward to the future ... don't know if it will be DVD-A, SACD (doubt it) or this new Blue Ray thing, but it should mean digital media begin to approach the warmth of vinyl.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2004 at 12:15
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2004 at 16:31

Sweetnighter,

Yes, I too think the lifespan of the CD concept is limited. But I don't think MP3 technology will replace them. MP3 is a lossy compression method. The way technology is going, memory devices are becoming smaller and able to store more data, so it will not be necessary to compress the data anymore. Look at DVDs vs CDs for example: DVD-Audio can store 6 tracks of 24-bit audio on something the same size as a 2-track 16-bit Audio CD. Perhaps the next stage will be solid state devices the size of a postage stamp that can be put into an MP3-like player and PCs, with better characteristics than the current DVD-Audio 6-channel 24-bit technology. With high resolution images on it too. It would be nice to display in ultra hires on a 48-inch display the cover art from "Brain Salad Surgery" or "Greenslade" for example. That's the way I hope things develop. In the long term, perhaps music media per se will no longer exist, as everyone's PC will be hooked up to a massive-bandwidth grandson-of-Internet where we can download 64-bit digitised music and images/video at the click of a finger. Would be nice, wouldn't it?

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2004 at 16:38
i usually stick to cds. il buy vinyl when it's something
that a) isn't found on cd, or if it's b) something that i'm
not sure if i really want it, and on vinyl i can usually
drop about 6 bucks on it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2004 at 16:38

Next step?

DVD-A/SACD versus this, which is going to ship, apparently, as the format on next year's Playstation 3 platform and will spearhead Sony's (and others) championing of the format as the next gen stroage medium. Eventually they believe they can expand the storage capacity to 55Gb and potentially to 500Gb! Not sure whether music will feature in thise format but it's possible I guess.

Blu-ray, also known as Blu-ray Disc (BD) is the name of a next-generation optical disc format jointly developed by the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA), a group of leading consumer electronics and PC companies (including Dell, Hitachi, HP, JVC, LG, Mitsubishi, Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, TDK and Thomson). The format was developed to enable recording, rewriting and playback of high-definition video (HD), as well as storing large amounts of data. A single-layer Blu-ray Disc can hold 25GB, which can be used to record over 2 hours of HDTV or more than 13 hours of standard-definition TV. There are also dual-layer versions of the discs that can hold 50GB.

While current optical disc technologies such as DVD, DVD±R, DVD±RW, and DVD-RAM use a red laser to read and write data, the new format uses a blue-violet laser instead, hence the name Blu-ray. Despite the different type of lasers used, Blu-ray products can easily be made backwards compatible through the use of a BD/DVD/CD compatible optical pickup and allow playback of CDs and DVDs. The benefit of using a blue-violet laser (405nm) is that it has a shorter wavelength than a red laser (650nm), which makes it possible to focus the laser spot with even greater precision. This allows data to be packed more tightly and stored in less space, so it's possible to fit more data on the disc even though it's the same size as a CD/DVD. This together with the change of numerical aperture to 0.85 is what enables Blu-ray Discs to hold 25GB/50GB.

With the rapid growth of HDTV, the consumer demand for recording HD programming is quickly rising. Blu-ray was designed with this application in mind and supports direct recording of the MPEG-2 TS (Transport Stream) used by digital broadcasts, which makes it highly compatible with global standards for digital TV. This means that HDTV broadcasts can be recorded directly to the disc without any quality loss or extra processing. To handle the increased amount of data required for HD, Blu-ray employs a 36Mbps data transfer rate, which is more than enough to record and playback HDTV while maintaining the original picture quality. In addition, by fully utilizing an optical disc's random accessing features, it's possible to playback video on a disc while simultaneously recording HD video.

Blu-ray is expected to replace VCRs and DVD recorders over the coming years, with the transition to HDTV. The format is also likely to become a standard for PC data storage and HD movies in the future.


 

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