deep thinking

I used to think men were superior to women until I realized that the male prostate gland hosts a design flaw that offsets the advantages of peeing standing up.

HackettFan wrote: I used to think men were superior to women until I realized that the male prostate gland hosts a design flaw that offsets the advantages of peeing standing up.

Pineapple upside down cake turned right side up is still just as sweet.

This thread could have ended at 42, but I think that there is still more to life, the universe, and everything to ponder.

Here's my deep thought or thinking experiment based on the classic trolley ethical problem:

Imagine that you witness a runaway trolley racing towards five people who are somehow incapacitated. You know that they won't be able to get off the tracks in time, and the train will smash into them if nothing is done, but then you notice a lever that will divert the trolley onto another track which would save those five people if you pushed it. However, there is an incapacitated person on that other track that you would die if you divert the trolley. So faced with this dilemma, what will you have for lunch?

Edited by Logan - July 21 2018 at 10:55

Vompatti wrote: Logan wrote: This thread could have ended at 42, but I think that there is still more to life, the universe, and everything to ponder. Here's my deep thought or thinking experiment based on the classic trolley ethical problem: Imagine that you witness a runaway trolley racing towards five people who are somehow incapacitated. You know that they won't be able to get off the tracks in time, and the train will smash into them if nothing is done, but then you notice a lever that will divert the trolley onto another track which would save those five people if you pushed it. However, there is an incapacitated person on that other track that you would die if you divert the trolley. So faced with this dilemma, what will you have for lunch? Multi-track drifting.

Killing six birds with one stone, so to speak? Perhaps that should be one of the options stated in the problem.

EDIT: not that it matters, but I should have read back through my post more carefully. I meant say that “there is an incapacitated person on that other track that would diie if you divert the trolley”, not “on that other track that you would die”. But I guess that’s obvious and it was comprehensible enough. I wouldn’t want to be accused of ruining this thread through a lack of clarity.

Edited by Logan - July 21 2018 at 14:47

geekfreak wrote: are but is there a god. is there life on an other planet. what is the meaning of life.

I don't think we can know if there is or isn't a god or some form of a higher power. I'm ultimately agnostic on the matter but I have not heard any arguments that would make me assume that there is a God (it doesn't seem a necessary assumption to me, but I still see it as a possibility). The vaguer the conception of a god or gods, the more likely the possibility it seems to me. I find the idea of the Abrahamic God very unlikely.

We can't know with certainty that there is life on other planets, but it seems very unlikely that there wouldn't be to me. Extremely probable that life does exist elsewhere, I believe..

I like think to think that the meaning of life is whatever meaning we bring to our lives, as well the meaning we bring to other people's lives. I don't think there's one answer. In one sense one might simply say that it is simply to procreate and survive.

Now it's my turn to ask a question, I guess:

Do people think there's a sort of moral panic surrounding issues of identity politics?

That's a very good answer, thank you Christoffer.   

On a side-note, I would quite like to move this topic out of Just For Fun (it was moved here before) since I think the idea of it is a very good one and Just For Fun topics tend to get missed as they get buried quickly and don't get mentioned in the Latest Forum Posts on the forum home age.

I love dialectics and apply it in my daily life, and try to employ it in dealing with others. I love thesis/ antithesis discussion which leads to a synthesis of ideas and when evaluating bands for Eclectic, we often used dialectics informally to figure out if a band is Prog, or I used it myself just in my posts where I would debate with myself out loud on paper so to speak to arrive at a more sophisticated conclusion and nuanced understanding (I wish there were more syntheses in discussions).   

I would say that dialectics can be a very useful tool in determining whether something fits or not, and how it fits (I imagine we all use it to some extent even if not being familiar with Hegel or Plato. My approach generally would be rather like the conversation between Plato and Socrates in Republic, what is the nature of the ideal state, than some of Hegel's more sophisticated thinkings, but that's because of the subject matter I tend to approach (less abstract concepts). Hegel I also studied in college.

Hegel had different approaches of dialectical reasoning depending on the subject matter as said in the quote, but yes, using logical frameworks in the dialectical approach would be useful in determining the form of things (now I'm back to referencing Plato which is less refined) and could get to some "truth writ not so large".

Hegel is very deep stuff it makes this Deep Thinking topic seems amateur in comparison, which of course it is). Hegelian dialectics is useful in arriving at a more sophisticated notion, and dialectics can be useful in seeing that something not not be tither one thing (Prog) or the other (non-Prog),can be both, and can be something different (jazz fusion, has a prog relation). For me it's a good way to get out of black and white, binary thinking and a dialectical approach is very useful in conflict resolution, both with others and in oneself, and in behavioral therapy.

I just woke up, and haven't even had my morning coffee yet, I hope I'm making sense.

^ Wow.

Deep thinking = default human setting.