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    Posted: September 16 2015 at 02:33
I'm a huge fan of the Mellotron, and was delighted to see King Crimson deploy these sounds at the Chicago concert (Vic Theater, 26 September 2014).  

One aspect that struck me was the way that various band members, particularly drummers, evoked Mellotron sounds from some hand-held digital device.  It was stunning!  However, at that time I wasn't sure what trickery they were using.  

I've found out that they used an i-Pad app, please see:  

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/50th-anniversary-edition-mellotronics/id375100093?mt=8

Bob Fripp is quoted as saying "We no longer take Mellotrons on the road.  Instead we take this iPad app."

I just downloaded the app tonight on my wife's i-Pad and am blowing my brains out at 2 am, playing the introduction chords to "Watcher of the Skies" etc.!!  

Easy to use, highly recommended, and pretty cheap to boot!!  Enjoy, Charles
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Well, iPads are easier to carry around. Is there an Android version?
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They take three drum sets on the road, there's no space for a Mellotron Tongue
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Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

They take three drum sets on the road, there's no space for a Mellotron Tongue

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That is why they are packing iPads!!  RF also had a full electronic keyboard (I presume a work station) at his little corner of the stage, in the back (you can see the monitor).  Perhaps the best concert I've ever seen, and I've seen hundreds. 
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And who doesn't like the sound of the mellotron.....but for those who have seen the new KC tour; why 3 drum kits...? I can see two though even that seems a bit much ...but 3 actual drum kits..?
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Doc, when Fripp eventually brings a couch on stage and lays down to play his parts, you will need something exciting to look at.
Three drummers should do the trick, I should think. Tongue

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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Doc, when Fripp eventually brings a couch on stage and lays down to play his parts, you will need something exciting to look at.
Three drummers should do the trick, I should think. Tongue
Ok then...that explains it.
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They may use I-pads, but they also have Memotrons. I'll be seeing them on Thursday night (Usher Hall, Edinburgh), so I'll see how they do it.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

And who doesn't like the sound of the mellotron.....but for those who have seen the new KC tour; why 3 drum kits...? I can see two though even that seems a bit much ...but 3 actual drum kits..?
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I know, it sounds excessive, but it has to be experienced live!  The drummers all have a great deal of finesse, and each acts almost like a percussionist in an orchestra rather than a conventional "kit drummer" in a rock band.  The richness of the percussion is remarkable, and it reminds me of the importance of percussion throughout Fripp's catalog.  

The way that they are able to replicate the Bruford/Muir sounds of LTIA era KC was the most impressive!  The audience was hushed, and even subtle chimes and *tock* sounds of wooden instruments could be heard through a rather large venue. 

I'm a fan!  I don't think any other band could work with three drummers, Fripp knows how to keep them under control.  
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I have a question. I guess he used Guitar for remake Mellotrone sound and playing  (in Tokyo I guess). Is it correct?
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

And who doesn't like the sound of the mellotron.....but for those who have seen the new KC tour; why 3 drum kits...? I can see two though even that seems a bit much ...but 3 actual drum kits..?
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I know, it sounds excessive, but it has to be experienced live!  The drummers all have a great deal of finesse, and each acts almost like a percussionist in an orchestra rather than a conventional "kit drummer" in a rock band.  The richness of the percussion is remarkable, and it reminds me of the importance of percussion throughout Fripp's catalog.  

The way that they are able to replicate the Bruford/Muir sounds of LTIA era KC was the most impressive!  The audience was hushed, and even subtle chimes and *tock* sounds of wooden instruments could be heard through a rather large venue. 

I'm a fan!  I don't think any other band could work with three drummers, Fripp knows how to keep them under control.  
 
Ok.....I suspect you saw them in Chicago.,,,,,,what was the venue?
And do you know if they are coming back around anytime soon?
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Originally posted by O666 O666 wrote:

I have a question. I guess he used Guitar for remake Mellotrone sound and playing  (in Tokyo I guess). Is it correct?
Fripp uses his "Frippertronics" which triggers MIDI samples when he's playing.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by O666 O666 wrote:

I have a question. I guess he used Guitar for remake Mellotrone sound and playing  (in Tokyo I guess). Is it correct?
Fripp uses his "Frippertronics" which triggers MIDI samples when he's playing.
Thanks Steve. I think Fripp's "Finger Position" is unique and he is a great "Instrument's Sound Specialist" IMO. 
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

And who doesn't like the sound of the mellotron.....but for those who have seen the new KC tour; why 3 drum kits...? I can see two though even that seems a bit much ...but 3 actual drum kits..?
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I know, it sounds excessive, but it has to be experienced live!  The drummers all have a great deal of finesse, and each acts almost like a percussionist in an orchestra rather than a conventional "kit drummer" in a rock band.  The richness of the percussion is remarkable, and it reminds me of the importance of percussion throughout Fripp's catalog.  

The way that they are able to replicate the Bruford/Muir sounds of LTIA era KC was the most impressive!  The audience was hushed, and even subtle chimes and *tock* sounds of wooden instruments could be heard through a rather large venue. 

I'm a fan!  I don't think any other band could work with three drummers, Fripp knows how to keep them under control.  
 
Ok.....I suspect you saw them in Chicago.,,,,,,what was the venue?
And do you know if they are coming back around anytime soon?

It was the Vic Theater, a very old, somewhat run-down movie house that often hosts progressive acts such as Dream Theater, Musical Box etc.  The acoustics are surprisingly good! 

Bob used to always play at the Park West venue, which is much more intimate but has less seat capacity.  I'd see him at a bus station if I had to!

And no, I haven't heard of a return engagement, although I keep my eyes open.



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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

And who doesn't like the sound of the mellotron.....but for those who have seen the new KC tour; why 3 drum kits...? I can see two though even that seems a bit much ...but 3 actual drum kits..?
Confused

I know, it sounds excessive, but it has to be experienced live!  The drummers all have a great deal of finesse, and each acts almost like a percussionist in an orchestra rather than a conventional "kit drummer" in a rock band.  The richness of the percussion is remarkable, and it reminds me of the importance of percussion throughout Fripp's catalog.  

The way that they are able to replicate the Bruford/Muir sounds of LTIA era KC was the most impressive!  The audience was hushed, and even subtle chimes and *tock* sounds of wooden instruments could be heard through a rather large venue. 

I'm a fan!  I don't think any other band could work with three drummers, Fripp knows how to keep them under control.  
 
Ok.....I suspect you saw them in Chicago.,,,,,,what was the venue?
And do you know if they are coming back around anytime soon?

It was the Vic Theater, a very old, somewhat run-down movie house that often hosts progressive acts such as Dream Theater, Musical Box etc.  The acoustics are surprisingly good! 

Bob used to always play at the Park West venue, which is much more intimate but has less seat capacity.  I'd see him at a bus station if I had to!

And no, I haven't heard of a return engagement, although I keep my eyes open.


Been to the Vic a number of times over the years...saw Dead Can Dance there as well as Ray Davies . Nice place.....I saw Crimson in the old days at Bismarck Theater and a newer venue in a suburb of Chicago some years ago.
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The now-and-unveiling future is at hand! I missed the L.A. show last spring, but it's interesting to know how Bob and crew pulled portions of it off. Thanks for the info.
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