Most overrated album No. 1

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: IMHO Overrated means = Look at those idiots who love what I decided is mediocre.

Perhaps all albums that were recorded in the history of the Universe are overrated. All albums are flawed. Some don't emphasize on melody, others don't have strong lyrics, etc. We all like and/or dislike albums for our reasons.

Edited by Dayvenkirq - September 15 2015 at 13:51

none of these albums is overrated in my opinion

Overrated is a term that can apply in sports...  
'The Dallas Cowboys are overrated' is a statement that can be argued
based on results.  It they always win they can't be overrated.

Music, on the other hand, has no contest where a song or album can objectively be 'better' than another

so, while I think all of Britney Spears' songs are crap and all of 'pick your fave prog artist'  are waaaay better
that is just my opinion

some people feel the total opposite.  They feel that Britney is a musical genius and  all prog is pretentious crap.

Neither one of us is 'right'.   There is no 'right'.

In my opinion it is impossible for any music to be 'overrated' by definition.


Edited by digdug - September 15 2015 at 12:28

Svetonio wrote:  All albums from the list are masterpieces in one way or another, it doesn't matter really, but only for Foxtrot we have that material proof that the original vinyl album wasn't recorded in a professional manner. So it's not a complete masterpiece as other albums from the list. And consenquently overrated. And young listeners don't give a sh*t on that if they are not the serious collectors of old LPs.

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 15 2015 at 13:34

Dellinger wrote: No, it's not arrogant to believe in your own opinion. What's arrogant is to believe that those who don't agree with you are wrong.

I don't think that's what overrated means, exactly. When talking about "overrated" you refer to a collective of people with the same opinion. The way that collective has been formed can usually involve the popularizing of an idea, for example "the best pop song". Everyone that agrees with it, joins the collective. Everyone that doesn't doesn't. A popular opinion have a bigger chance to grow, because the same idea is being spread by many people. And the more people saying the same thing, the more it seems true.

I don't think it is necessary to use the term "overrated" very often. It should be aimed towards a collective , whose shared opinion is supposedly out of proportion. What is being implied is that the opinion have been popularized, and it's the popularized opinion which is being criticized - or at least that is the best way to use the word in my opinion. So it's not aimed towards individuals, rather towards an idea that have influenced them.

Nothing overrated here.

Saperlipopette! wrote: ^You overrate yourself

Ah, no one on this planet has such an objective attitude about the things around us, as you and your people from Tommorowland have it.

Saperlipopette! wrote: Dellinger wrote: Now, of course, if you go to the point of saying that a madman dictator is wrong at killing everyone who doesn't fit his idea the right race, of course I agree with you, anyone doing massacres will be wrong and on that one there's no way to convince me otherwise. As for communists... I don't really think that either communists nor capitalists are entirely wrong, I rather think that it's the people that lead such ideologies, the people at the government, who are wrong when they abuse them and take advantage of their position for their own benefit. Communism is overrated. (...)

Communism couldn't be overrated nor underrated due to the fact that the Communism never existed as a political and economical system in any country.

Edited by Svetonio - September 15 2015 at 13:23

Dellinger wrote: Now, of course, if you go to the point of saying that a madman dictator is wrong at killing everyone who doesn't fit his idea the right race, of course I agree with you, anyone doing massacres will be wrong and on that one there's no way to convince me otherwise. As for communists... I don't really think that either communists nor capitalists are entirely wrong, I rather think that it's the people that lead such ideologies, the people at the government, who are wrong when they abuse them and take advantage of their position for their own benefit.

Communism is overrated. I can see to a certain extent why it made sense among some westerners in the 1940's and possibly up to the 1970's but people should seriously know better in 2015. Believing that you are right should obviously be based on experience and knowledge. My experience and knowledge is what I trust whether it regards Aquarium, You're Under Arrest or madman dictators. They all suck in various degrees and anyone who disagrees with me are dead wrong.

Dellinger wrote: Svetonio wrote: Dellinger wrote: Saperlipopette! wrote: Floydoid wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: IMHO Overrated means = Look at those idiots who love what I decided is mediocre. I couldn't agree more. You're such dullards. Is this what you think if or when someone talks about Michael Jackson's masterpiece Thriller as well? I don't really like "Thriller", nor is it a Masterpiece for me, but I couldn't really say that it's overrated, because there are so many more people who liked it than those who would call it overrated. Perhaps one could make a point for calling it overrated if we could compare out of those people who bought it at the time still like it / listen to it as opposed to those who bought albums like those in this poll, then you could say (if the results suported it) that the album sold well only because of marketing and not out of it's music quality. As far as that album is concerned, I do like the hit songs well enough, but it's got lots of... well, sort of pop ballads that are just too cheesy and I simply can't stand. As far as Michael Jackson is concerned, I liked the album "Bad" much more. Thriller is one of the greatest mastepieces of 80s without a doubt because 1) that passed the test of time due to the fact that Thriller is an album with the songs that are all amazing and still to sound fresh even today, 2) the album, released in early 80s (1982), so in the middle of New Wave histeria, was married the heritages of 70s Afro-American music' styles ( Funk, Soul and Disco ) with heritage of 70s Rock at the most succesfully way ever, regarding the mainstream; for example this song:                 Just as I said, it's the personal opinion. For me it's only 3 or 4 songs on Thriller that I really enjoy, the rest just puts me to sleep... at best. Bad doesn't have so many boring songs... they are almost all at least enjoyable, or I do like them a lot... even among the ones that were not the classic hits from him... though I would have to listen to the album again to remember how much I liked it all.

"Personal opinion" that Thriller  is the masterpiece of 80s mainstream!? lol. Give me a break.

Saperlipopette! wrote: Dellinger wrote: Once again, for me the word "overrated" implies that the person using that word believes he is right and the many more people who have a different opinion are wrong, which just seems arrogant to me.   I'm slowly getting that every complainer here thinks having such subjective opinions at all is usymphatetic. I have no problem entering a discussion thinking I'm right and you/they are wrong. I have no problem with others arguing from that point of view either. But I will sometimes try to change their minds. If implying that you're right and I'm wrong is arrogant by default you might as well consider it arrogant to think that you have the better understanding of "overrated" - and not allow yourself to post your subjective opinion of it here (as I do use overrated correctly according to the dictionary). How can you discuss art or anything at all? <span style="line-height: 1.4;">I think the communists and nazis are wrong and I'm right too. Doesn't seem very arrogant to me although communists and nazis would strongly disagree with me. There are more </span>religious<span style="line-height: 1.4;"> people than unreligous people in the world but the former group are still all wrong - that may be actually be a little arrogant but its still an opinion I won't hesitate to post.   </span>   Dellinger wrote: Saperlipopette! wrote: Floydoid wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: IMHO Overrated means = Look at those idiots who love what I decided is mediocre. I couldn't agree more. You're such dullards. Is this what you think if or when someone talks about Michael Jackson's masterpiece Thriller as well?   I don't really like "Thriller", nor is it a Masterpiece for me, but I couldn't really say that it's overrated, because there are so many more people who liked it than those who would call it overrated. Perhaps one could make a point for calling it overrated if we could compare out of those people who bought it at the time still like it / listen to it as opposed to those who bought albums like those in this poll, then you could say (if the results suported it) that the album sold well only because of marketing and not out of it's music quality. As far as that album is concerned, I do like the hit songs well enough, but it's got lots of... well, sort of pop ballads that are just too cheesy and I simply can't stand. As far as Michael Jackson is concerned, I liked the album "Bad" much more. I do like Thriller quite a bit myself. I didn't choose an album I hate - I asked about another kind of album to get another angle. But I can see it isn't working. I could have chosen Aqua's Aquarium as its considered a eurodance classic by the eurodance connoisseurs but it probably wouldn't make any difference - Because who are you to imply that they are wrong and you are right, right?

No, at least I'm not thinking that having a subjective opinion is wrong (or unsympahetic or whatever), nor do I think most of the people that dislike the word "overrated" think so... as a matter of fact, the only opinions one can have are subjective ones, and at least as far as music taste goes, it would be just about impossible to have an objective opinion. For me the problem is assuming that your subjective opinion is right and the more popular opinions are wrong (though, as a matter of fact, that would leave us prog fans in a very precarious situation at believing that our prog music is better than disco, electronic, pop, rap, and whatever... but that's a slightly different topic). The thing is, you do like Thriller, Svetonio thinks it's a masterpiece, and I just don't understand the love it generally gets, except for the few songs I like... so I might say it is overrated and you would say (perhaps) that it deserves the praise it gets... and who's to say whom of us both is right. According to you, I can say I'm right and that album is not a good album and you are wrong at thinking it's good... but no, I just say I don't really like it as a whole and if you like it it's just as fine, there's no reason for me to state that you are wrong.

Now, of course, if you go to the point of saying that a madman dictator is wrong at killing everyone who doesn't fit his idea the right race, of course I agree with you, anyone doing massacres will be wrong and on that one there's no way to convince me otherwise. As for communists... I don't really think that either communists nor capitalists are entirely wrong, I rather think that it's the people that lead such ideologies, the people at the government, who are wrong when they abuse them and take advantage of their position for their own benefit.