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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: August 15 2015 at 21:18 |
Up there but I'd pick 10 or 20 ahead of it
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aglasshouse
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Posted: August 15 2015 at 21:39 |
I think many more are of higher caliber. Gates of Delirium comes to mind.
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Posted: August 15 2015 at 22:20 |
Probably is because there is not a wasted note--it's all perfect. But Supper's Ready moves me just as much.And Gates and Awaken are pretty near perfect too.
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Posted: August 15 2015 at 22:38 |
No, but it's up there.
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Posted: August 15 2015 at 23:07 |
Xonty wrote:
It's not my favourite, and has a pretty weak structure if you compare it to Siberian Khatru for example. If there was a poll, I reckon songs like Supper's Ready/Firth Of Fifth, Shine On, and Schizoid Man would come out on top, but it could easily be called the best Yes song. | I've done polls with other songs against CttE, and indeed I believe CttE would beat just about any song you try to put it against. The only ones I believe can give it a good battle are Supper's Ready (and I think it has beaten Supper's Ready, but then again if the poll is done again the results might be different) and Echoes (I think I once put this three songs together in one poll, and Echoes actually won, but then again, put only CttE and Echoes and the way the poll goes might change).
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Posted: August 15 2015 at 23:14 |
yeah man.. a lot of nos.. and little in the way of examples much less reasons why anything could or did top the execution and performance of CTTE.
put it his way as some sh*thead reviewer once did...
One of more defining.. yet at the
same time moth eaten prog cliches is the side long epic. Of course other groups had tried them
before. Some were just extended instrumental jams where structure and composition were an
afterthought. Most were of the cut and paste variety. Song vignettes of several minutes apiece
strung together with instrumental bridges. What made Close to the Edge so powerful.. and at the
same time so ..progressive was that it was a single 19 minute composition. The dangers inherent in
that are obvious if you take any time at all to consider the music.. and the prospective audience.
There is no way to quantify musical quality.. or is there? The proof is in the numbers.. and in the
logic. Take a piece like Supper's Ready that some would proclaim to greatest side-long ever. Say
there is a piece that doesn't really catch the listeners ear.. it is no problem.. Willow Farm is
right around the corner. By the time you've grabbed a ham sandwich.. the musical context has
changed. The listener is happy and goes on his merry way. With Close to the Edge.. not so fast. If
the merry men of Yes hadn't paid extreme attention to perfection on that song and crafting a near
flawless piece of music you would have been left with 19 minutes of sheer boredom.
Close to the Edge is nothing more earthshaking than possibly the world's
first..hell maybe only 19 minute long pop song. Complete with the
intro/verse/chorus/verse/chorus/middle8/instrumental-break/verse/chorus/outro format that supposedly
seperates prog from lesser forms of music hahaha. While everyone went on thinking that standard
popular song formats would only support 2 or 3 minute long songs.. Yes showed that the standard pop
format could support complex and sustained melodies. The trick of it again.. to pull it off it had
to be all about quality. Otherwise.. you would have to aural equivilant of having 19 minutes of 'My
Heart Will Go On: Love Theme from Titanic' pumped into your brain. Even with the kick ass
rickenbacker.. I suspect that would not be enough to hold on to many listeners.
Edited by micky - August 15 2015 at 23:17
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LearsFool
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Posted: August 16 2015 at 00:57 |
micky wrote:
One of more defining.. yet at the
same time moth eaten prog cliches is the side long epic. Of course other groups had tried them
before. Some were just extended instrumental jams where structure and composition were an
afterthought. Most were of the cut and paste variety. Song vignettes of several minutes apiece
strung together with instrumental bridges. What made Close to the Edge so powerful.. and at the
same time so ..progressive was that it was a single 19 minute composition. The dangers inherent in
that are obvious if you take any time at all to consider the music.. and the prospective audience.
There is no way to quantify musical quality.. or is there? The proof is in the numbers.. and in the
logic. Take a piece like Supper's Ready that some would proclaim to greatest side-long ever. Say
there is a piece that doesn't really catch the listeners ear.. it is no problem.. Willow Farm is
right around the corner. By the time you've grabbed a ham sandwich.. the musical context has
changed. The listener is happy and goes on his merry way. With Close to the Edge.. not so fast. If
the merry men of Yes hadn't paid extreme attention to perfection on that song and crafting a near
flawless piece of music you would have been left with 19 minutes of sheer boredom.
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A single 19 minute composition? Well...
I'm aware of tellings of the album's composition and recording process that say that the four main sections of the eventual suite were all being worked on independent of one another. Bruford has gone on record mentioning something about it being assembled in sections of oh-so-many bars, ten, twelve, sixteen. But the main thing is that the band was stuck in a rut, and I'm told that Offord managed to break their compositional block by encouraging them to assemble those ideas into a single side long suite - "Close To The Edge". Listening to the differences between the intro, the first verse section, and "I Get Up...", this makes sense to me.
So the suite's greatness seems to lie not in it being a single composition, but a series of five vignettes that they managed to stitch together to make it seem like it was a single composition from the start - something like if Doctor Frankenstein had fashioned himself an Adonis, with the stitches practically invisible.
And that's probably a greater feat than just fashioning a true single composition.
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Posted: August 16 2015 at 01:03 |
Man With Hat wrote:
No, but it's up there. | This. Personally, I prefer Awaken.
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Posted: August 16 2015 at 01:03 |
One of the most popular, well loved prog epics, yes. Personally I'd take either of Echoes or Starless over it every single day. Also, Supper's Ready, Mumps, Tarkus, Kontarkohz pt-2 etc etc. Yeah, I do like CTTE but it doesn't necessarily overwhelm me to the point of tears and all that.
Edited by rogerthat - August 16 2015 at 01:05
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: August 16 2015 at 01:19 |
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Barbu
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Posted: August 16 2015 at 02:16 |
Probably.
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Posted: August 16 2015 at 03:05 |
#3.
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Posted: August 16 2015 at 04:41 |
Archetypal prog rock; top 3 for me!
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Posted: August 16 2015 at 04:43 |
Great song,but Awaken and Gates of Delerium are superior,and South Side of the Sky is a gem too!The best prog song ever? Starless maybe?
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Posted: August 16 2015 at 05:31 |
That song is a bit the mess, going in many directions and embracing different genres. In brief it's all that I like in the musical journey : the disorientation and the unpredictable.
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Dean
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Posted: August 16 2015 at 05:44 |
CttE is much like the four options in this poll - none of the parts are perfect nor well constructed but somehow have managed to be crashed together into some semblance of order (coincidentally, not unlike the "classic" Yes line-up). It's not the best prog song ever nor do I believe that it is "up there with other greats" but I don't think it is bad, (the weight of popular opinion suggests it is far from bad even if I don't personally like it a great deal). Yes did better songs than this and better epics/long-suites.
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Posted: August 16 2015 at 05:57 |
WrytXander wrote:
sleeper wrote:
Absolutely not.
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Yes were always a bunch of people with too much ego to work together properly, not on the level of ELP but getting there, and as a consequence I find their music incredibly dull. Close to the Edge is no exception to this. Unlike albums, I find it really difficult to compare indavidual songs for some reason. There's a whole host that I'd put at the absolute top level but seperating between them becomes almost impossible for me. Strangely enough, I never have this trouble with albums, according to my tastes Kayo Dot's Chois of the Eye s the best album I've ever heard and I have no trouble coming to this conclusion.
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Michael678
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Posted: August 16 2015 at 08:10 |
it's usually number 1 for me, but a quite a few epics are up there too along with some shorter tracks too. so option 2 for me.
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Manuel
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Posted: August 16 2015 at 08:19 |
Progosopher wrote:
Definitely one of the contenders, and a top one at that. But absolute best? I prefer to avoid such terms unless I can declare others as best as well. Depends on criteria. |
Well said, and I should add there's not an absolute best prog song, or classical piece, jazz, blues, etc. Personally you might prefer one over the others, and that's fine, but absolute is a very radical term, and hardly one that everybody will agree upon.
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Posted: August 16 2015 at 08:21 |
To paraphrase John Lennon, tt's not even the best song on the "Close To The Edge" album.
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