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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2015 at 17:11
OOOOOooooooooohhhh!!!!!! So obvious!LOL

Uh, shall I throw the first stone? There are several Jazz artists that to me its just jazz and have nothing to do with progressive rock. Miles Davies, for example. But we can add even Hermeto Pascoal.

They have absolutely no conection with rock nor what was conected with Progressive Rock. Unless this is also a Jazz archive, I never understand their adition.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2015 at 17:17
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

BOC = Blue Oyster Cult.

And as has been previously mentioned are listed under prog related and not a prog category.  I suppose the explanation is that although not entirely prog themselves, they were influential to heavy prog and prog metal bands.

Also, from their PA page biography:  Why this artist must be listed in www.progarchives.com :
BLUE ÖYSTER CULT have always had many things in common with prog, from the lyrics and subject matter of their songs to their extensive use of keyboards - not to mention the complex structure of many of their best tracks.
I can relate BOC to Hawkwind in that both bands collaborated with scifi author Michael Moorcock  in songwriting.  So, I guess they are somehow related. Rats!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2015 at 17:19
According to the PA Prog hierarchy, Jazz Rock/Fusion is a separate genre of prog and thus as a founding artist of jazz rock/fusion Miles Davis is included.  The catch is that even though he is included for that middle career batch of albums, his entire discography gets to come along for the ride.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2015 at 17:24
BOC were included because of their music, not because of the Moorcock connection to Hawkwind. As I have all of their albums, I believe I am in a position to judge. I don't think anyone in their right mind would claim that "Don't Fear the Reaper" is prog-related - but songs such as "7 Screamin' Dizbuster", "The Subhuman", "Monsters" and "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" certainly are.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2015 at 17:24
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

According to the PA Prog hierarchy, Jazz Rock/Fusion is a separate genre of prog and thus as a founding artist of jazz rock/fusion Miles Davis is included.  The catch is that even though he is included for that middle career batch of albums, his entire discography gets to come along for the ride.

Got it.

But is still strange to see his 1959 album in the top 100 of PA...Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2015 at 17:25
...and of course the two doo-hickeys above the O cement them as prog-related
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2015 at 17:27
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

...and of course the two doo-hickeys above the O cement them as prog-related
Yes, because it influenced Motorhead and Queensryche, who later added two doohickeys.  LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2015 at 17:30
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

BOC were included because of their music, not because of the Moorcock connection to Hawkwind. As I have all of their albums, I believe I am in a position to judge. I don't think anyone in their right mind would claim that "Don't Fear the Reaper" is prog-related - but songs such as "7 Screamin' Dizbuster", "The Subhuman", "Monsters" and "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" certainly are.
I have all their albums too Raff, and I even have a personal relationship with one of their former producers, but they are a stretch to me as far as being prog related. But as Rushfan pointed out, I can understand that you had your fill of this topic in the past and I can respect that.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2015 at 17:33
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

BOC were included because of their music, not because of the Moorcock connection to Hawkwind. As I have all of their albums, I believe I am in a position to judge. I don't think anyone in their right mind would claim that "Don't Fear the Reaper" is prog-related - but songs such as "7 Screamin' Dizbuster", "The Subhuman", "Monsters" and "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" certainly are.
I have all their albums too Raff, and I even have a personal relationship with one of their former producers, but they are a stretch to me as far as being prog related. But as Rushfan pointed out, I can understand that you had your fill of this topic in the past and I can respect that.


Yes, I did, and then some. Things got ugly, with personal insults thrown around - something that fortunately doesn't happen any longer. Personally, I believe that additions one disagrees with should be ignored, but then I seem to be in a minority.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2015 at 17:36
But the two dots over the O was a nice prog touch, agree? LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2015 at 17:36
The thing is, one either trusts the people around you to make an educated and carefully considered decision, or one does not.   That trust must be there or things don't work.


"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."   -- John F. Kennedy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2015 at 17:38
^In a perfect world perhaps, but this is not a perfect world David.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2015 at 17:40
It isn't the world at all--  it's the internet

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2015 at 17:43
Ok, why are the Moody Blues listed as crossover with Swilson? They don't have a doo hickey over their OO's.
They did have very prog album covers though.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2015 at 18:36
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

It isn't the world at all--  it's the internet


Oh yeah.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 12 2015 at 11:13
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Enough of the chicken s**t answers. How is BOC prog? (micky?)
 
 
They aren't prog......and I've been listening  to them from day one .
But as one of the esteemed members here said recently...they are 'prog related'...whatever that means.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 12 2015 at 12:10
Queensr˙che Operation: Mindcrime album cover
A concept album with heavy metal songs about a drug controlled kid named Nicky that does things against his will. It's a good story if you can follow it, but does creating a concept around metal songs make this album prog? And the group progressive metal? How is this Prog?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 12 2015 at 12:24
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Two types come to mind:  1) Anything that is minimalist or ambient. 2) Artists that are just guitar, bass, and drums.  No keyboards or synths included; no winds or brass instruments either.

you mean like Rush for much of the time?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 12 2015 at 12:29
Originally posted by Gully Foyle Gully Foyle wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Two types come to mind:  1) Anything that is minimalist or ambient. 2) Artists that are just guitar, bass, and drums.  No keyboards or synths included; no winds or brass instruments either.

you mean like Rush for much of the time?
Touche.  Smile  I was referring to some of the more modern metal bands with one or two albums under their belts, but yes, I suppose that Rush would fall under this category to a certain extent.
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