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Kati 
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 Posted: March 30 2015 at 11:17 |
 Davesax1965 wrote:
I changed the post in the interim BUT I will be leaving the forum.
If the admins would like to delete my profile, I'd be grateful if they did. I can't see a way of doing it from my profile settings.
To be quite honest with you, I'd prefer to be on a prog rock forum where people are actually into the music, rather than a forum which also incorporates..... heavy metal. I do not *hate* heavy metal. But I don't consider it appropriate to have heavy metallers coming on a forum which is about different music and defending themselves.
I also think that everything I've said is actually true.
So if the admins would kindly delete the profile, I would be VERY grateful. Thank you and goodnight, Spandex Fans. |
Stop being silly, or rather do not stop being silly however don't leave Davesax1965 because you are too nice, awesome and funny too leave here! Big hug 
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Kati
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Posted: March 30 2015 at 11:23 |
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To everyone here, I think we got lost in translation here somewhere, Davesax1965, is a great member on here who equally contributes a lot to this site. Just because he disagrees with some views this is no eason to tell him that he should not be here. He is a very nice person. And certainly belongs here.
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Cristi
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Posted: March 30 2015 at 11:30 |
Davesax1965 wrote:
I changed the post in the interim BUT I will be leaving the forum. If the admins would like to delete my profile, I'd be grateful if they did. I can't see a way of doing it from my profile settings.
To be quite honest with you, I'd prefer to be on a prog rock forum where people are actually into the music, rather than a forum which also incorporates..... heavy metal. I do not *hate* heavy metal. But I don't consider it appropriate to have heavy metallers coming on a forum which is about different music and defending themselves.
I also think that everything I've said is actually true.
So if the admins would kindly delete the profile, I would be VERY grateful. Thank you and goodnight, Spandex Fans. |
I think you are exaggerating, so what if a few, even very few people (me included) have defended the metal genre? None of them prefers metal to prog anyway. None of them mocked the progressive genre, at least that would be a reason to get upset, right? And after all, everyone is entitled to an opinion. I have become quite picky when it comes to metal bands and albums and I dislike Manowar and Battleaxe at least as much as you do.
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Cristi
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Posted: March 30 2015 at 11:31 |
Kati wrote:
To everyone here, I think we got lost in translation here somewhere, Davesax1965, is a great member on here who equally contributes a lot to this site. Just because he disagrees with some views this is no eason to tell him that he should not be here. He is a very nice person. And certainly belongs here. |
nobody told him he does not belong here
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Kati
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Posted: March 30 2015 at 11:34 |
Cristi wrote:
Davesax1965 wrote:
I changed the post in the interim BUT I will be leaving the forum. If the admins would like to delete my profile, I'd be grateful if they did. I can't see a way of doing it from my profile settings.
To be quite honest with you, I'd prefer to be on a prog rock forum where people are actually into the music, rather than a forum which also incorporates..... heavy metal. I do not *hate* heavy metal. But I don't consider it appropriate to have heavy metallers coming on a forum which is about different music and defending themselves.
I also think that everything I've said is actually true.
So if the admins would kindly delete the profile, I would be VERY grateful. Thank you and goodnight, Spandex Fans. |
I think you are exaggerating, so what if a few, even very few people (me included) have defended the metal genre? None of them prefers metal to prog anyway. None of them mocked the progressive genre, at least that would be a reason to get upset, right? And after all, everyone is entitled to an opinion.
I have become quite picky when it comes to metal bands and albums and I dislike Manowar and Battleaxe at least as much as you do.
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What you said makes absolute sense too, Cristi  You both make sense and I bet tomorrow the two of you will have no idea/forgot what it was about anyway  Ok now group hug big huge hug xxx
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Kati
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Posted: March 30 2015 at 11:37 |
Cristi wrote:
Kati wrote:
To everyone here, I think we got lost in translation here somewhere, Davesax1965, is a great member on here who equally contributes a lot to this site. Just because he disagrees with some views this is no eason to tell him that he should not be here. He is a very nice person. And certainly belongs here. |
nobody told him he does not belong here
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Awww Cristi, I meant in general after reading Davesax1965 post and this made me sad, sorry 
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Padraic
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Posted: March 30 2015 at 11:44 |
Davesax1965 wrote:
I changed the post in the interim BUT I will be leaving the forum.
If the admins would like to delete my profile, I'd be grateful if they did. I can't see a way of doing it from my profile settings.
To be quite honest with you, I'd prefer to be on a prog rock forum where people are actually into the music, rather than a forum which also incorporates..... heavy metal. I do not *hate* heavy metal. But I don't consider it appropriate to have heavy metallers coming on a forum which is about different music and defending themselves.
I also think that everything I've said is actually true.
So if the admins would kindly delete the profile, I would be VERY grateful. Thank you and goodnight, Spandex Fans. |
Profiles can't be deleted. Just stop logging on. Otherwise, wish you the best in all your future endeavors.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: March 30 2015 at 11:48 |
My, this thread took an ugly turn rather quickly.  In any case, Dave, I agree with many of your points regarding stereotypical metal motifs. Sabbath was great back in the day, but it seems metal as a genre never really went beyond testosterone-fed occultism. What I don't understand is your sudden "delete-my-profile" indignation. I am not even sure what it was about this thread that got you that worked up. There are any number of prog sub-genres that I scratch my head about or deplore altogether. I tend to ignore them.
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Kati
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Posted: March 30 2015 at 12:00 |
Ok everyone big group hug I bet no one tomorrow even remembers what this was about. Now let's focus on great moozik and very silly things  more hugs
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SteveG
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Posted: March 30 2015 at 12:02 |
Kati wrote:
Davesax1965 wrote:
I changed the post in the interim BUT I will be leaving the forum.
If the admins would like to delete my profile, I'd be grateful if they did. I can't see a way of doing it from my profile settings.
To be quite honest with you, I'd prefer to be on a prog rock forum where people are actually into the music, rather than a forum which also incorporates..... heavy metal. I do not *hate* heavy metal. But I don't consider it appropriate to have heavy metallers coming on a forum which is about different music and defending themselves.
I also think that everything I've said is actually true.
So if the admins would kindly delete the profile, I would be VERY grateful. Thank you and goodnight, Spandex Fans. |
Stop being silly, or rather do not stop being silly however don't leave Davesax1965 because you are too nice, awesome and funny too leave here! Big hug |
I'm not going to wade through this tread to see what caused this flare up, but I would like to tell you that there are members like myself that find metal equal to prog and don't really care what other fans think regarding this. I also like folk, folk rock, rock and roll, jazz fusion, acoustic blues, blues rock, Celtic music and World music, just to name a few. You will find snobs in any music forum, so please keep that in mind.
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Kati
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Posted: March 30 2015 at 12:06 |
SteveG wrote:
Kati wrote:
Davesax1965 wrote:
I changed the post in the interim BUT I will be leaving the forum.
If the admins would like to delete my profile, I'd be grateful if they did. I can't see a way of doing it from my profile settings.
To be quite honest with you, I'd prefer to be on a prog rock forum where people are actually into the music, rather than a forum which also incorporates..... heavy metal. I do not *hate* heavy metal. But I don't consider it appropriate to have heavy metallers coming on a forum which is about different music and defending themselves.
I also think that everything I've said is actually true.
So if the admins would kindly delete the profile, I would be VERY grateful. Thank you and goodnight, Spandex Fans. |
Stop being silly, or rather do not stop being silly however don't leave Davesax1965 because you are too nice, awesome and funny too leave here! Big hug |
I'm not going to wade through this tread to see what caused this flare up, but I would like to tell you that there are members like myself that find metal equal to prog and don't really care what other fans think regarding this. I also like folk, folk rock, rock and roll, jazz fusion, acoustic blues, blues rock, Celtic music and World music, just to name a few. You will find snobs in any music forum, so please keep that in mind. |
SteveG, my taste in music is also very diverse and I certainly do not like all prog music.. hug 
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SteveG
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Posted: March 30 2015 at 12:09 |
^Right back at you, Sonia! Diversity is the space of life and I think you're very spicy.
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Kati
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Posted: March 30 2015 at 12:10 |
Ok now back to Indus, will anyone please explain to this nincompoop (moi) what that means, as mentioned here on the topic above?  hugs |
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SteveG
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Posted: March 30 2015 at 12:14 |
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^If it's not short for the word industry, then it's a valley in NE India that was one of the cradles of civilization.
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Kati
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Posted: March 30 2015 at 12:17 |
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Polymorphia
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Posted: March 30 2015 at 12:18 |
Industry. There is not enough space in title, and the last three letters were cut off. Or maybe it's commentary on the failures of the music industry, and how futile it is to "try" to succeed.
Anyways, this thread has gotten pretty bizarre.
Edit: ninja'd
Edited by Polymorphia - March 30 2015 at 12:19
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SteveG
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Posted: March 30 2015 at 12:19 |
@Kati: Mmm, I luv sitar! See you soon, gotta go now.
Edited by SteveG - March 30 2015 at 13:07
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Polymorphia
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Posted: March 30 2015 at 12:22 |
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^Heh, seems I returned the favor.
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Dean
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Posted: March 30 2015 at 12:37 |
If Dave doesn't want to be here then that's fine, it's a free world. I certainly would not force him to stay. The Admins will not delete his account because it effs-up the forum post archive, but he can simply choose never to look at the site again - that's his call and his prerogative. It is that simple.
[I have never typed out so many replies that I have subsequently deleted without posting before than I have for this thread. That's a little frustrating because the topic is simple enough but each post just ends up being so... bleugh...]
We cannot keep coming up with weak excuses for the lack of popularity of Progs and for the sparsity of interest in the genre, its bands and its albums. Moreover, we've got to stop blaming (and belittling) fans of other genres - really, what does it achieve? Alienating a few people who happen to like both genres? What is the point of that? Sure this is a Prog site, but I can like Metal and still discuss Prog Music, hell - I can like ice cream or jam doughnuts and this will still be Prog site. That's the problem with specious comments - they sound plausible for about 2 seconds.
Metal is more popular that Prog - so what? - that really is no one's fault. Of all the music genres Metal isn't exactly selling like hot cakes either. However, Metal and Prog are non-equivalent genres, you simply cannot draw comparison between them - that's like comparing fruit to cabbages - a more accurate comparison would be Metal to Rock, and there I suspect that Rock outsells Metal by a considerable margin.
It's not about musical snobbery, it isn't about musical ability and it isn't about music education. It's about what moves you. Music isn't an intellectual exercise - no one sits listening to Prog counting the number of beats in a bar or analysing chord progressions and listening for unusual modes: ('Oh my... G# mixolydian augmented mode in 13¾/8 time ... that's very interesting...') it's about what you feel and how it affects you. Greater exposure to a form of music that doesn't move you at all has a negative affect - just turn on the radio for evidence of that. No amount of musical education or increased exposure will ever get me to like Jazz - it simply isn't going to happen - I have no natural feel for Jazz and not affinity with it - it just does not move me, yet play a Soft Machine album and I'm as happy as Larry - go figure.
There is more to Metal than surface detail just as there is more to Prog than dressing up as a flower and singing 30 minute epic song-saga about elves. Like Prog, Metal has a diversity of subgenres and styles and again like Prog, Metal has an unbroken lineage that can be traced back to the mid-60s; And yes, it appeals to a predominately male youth market just as Prog did in the glory years of the nineteen-seventies. Where Metal succeeds is it adapts to each new generation of youths, continually refreshing and renewing itself to appeal to that specific demographic. Music that progresses does this too, the problem there is the reticence of Prog fans to recognise these later regenerations. In Metal the intergenerational flow is in both directions, in Prog it seems to be only on one direction, and that's kinda sad, it's also self-defeating.
Edited by Dean - March 30 2015 at 12:44
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lazland
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Posted: March 30 2015 at 13:12 |
Morrissey used to put gladioli up his arse......Prog, Jim, but not as we know it  Seriously, Dean is, as ever, spot on in his analysis. I get equally moved by Judie Tzuke as I do by King Crimson. I adore Carly Simon as much as I do Anne-Marie Helder. Because the music moves me, it really is as simple and basic as that. My first ever gig was Motörhead. I absolutely loved it, and adore their early output to this day. Does that make me an adolescent in adult clothing? Nope. Does it make me any less of a Prog fan? Nope. Is this whole debate going to add to the sum of human knowledge....ermmm.....nope.
Edited by lazland - March 30 2015 at 13:12
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Why isn't prog as successful as metal as an indus
Big hug to you, SteveG 