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Guldbamsen 
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 Posted: March 07 2015 at 06:34 |
^Poor hair hygiene 
In many ways you could say that punk rock was the new "prog rock" when it emerged. Sure they took bits and pieces from the 50s RnB scene and sped them up, but it was still a brand new sound - something that hadn't been done before (*cough* The Stooges *cough*). In that respect, they did the same as the proggers of 69 did when they progressed the rock template.
Music doesn't need to be complex or hard to play in order to be cutting edge or indeed progressive.
Edited by Guldbamsen - March 07 2015 at 06:35
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Meltdowner
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 06:38 |
Two completely different music genres that I really like for completelly different reasons. I can't see the connection though 
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 06:42 |
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Punk - a definite reaction to Prog.
Perhaps they're musicians who aren't technically adept, and the singers aren't trained vocalists, but they made a noise, and everyone heard it !!
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 06:43 |
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I love both as well Sam. I think the supposed "war" between the two is far more real in the mind of music journalists with a computer access than it is to those who actually lived through those years. I have some old school punk friends who certainly think so.
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 06:44 |
 Guldbamsen wrote:
In many ways you could say that punk rock was the new "prog rock" when it emerged.
Music doesn't need to be complex or hard to play in order to be cutting edge or indeed progressive.
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The second sentence quoted above I applaud heartily  as for the first, you clearly emerged from a diabetic coma in the interim 
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 06:53 |
The first one was rather tongue-in-cheek matey 
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 07:06 |
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 07:08 |
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Come on now - every surgical room would brighten up with a bit of John Cleese and funny shoes thrown into the mix. Focus a little more on the yang ya dig?
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 07:12 |
Guldbamsen wrote:
Come on now - every surgical room would brighten up with a bit of John Cleese and funny shoes thrown into the mix. Focus a little more on the yang ya dig? |
I dig, I dig.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 07:19 |
You gotta love this place.
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SteveG
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 09:09 |
Dean wrote:
SteveG wrote:
Dean wrote:
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^Post punk, eh? Ok, that makes sense. But who were the real Punks then? And what became of them? |
Well, it certainly wasn't The Sex Pistols, The Clash, The Dammed, The Ramones or Television. |
Ok, Guv'nor, I give up. Ello,Ello. |
Yup. You are getting real good at quoting posts. Shame they do not illustrate the point you are trying to make. That quote does not say, or even fncking imply, that I saw "bands like Television as followers and not the Punk originators."
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Oh well, I guess we're back to semantics then.
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SteveG
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 09:12 |
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Tom Verlaine felt Television were not part of any so-called punk movement. "We felt outside of that," he says. "I don't think any of those bands (Patti Smith, Blondie, Talking Heads, Voidoids) were punk and everybody knows they're not punk so it's kind of a dead issue. Nobody calls those bands punk, outside of maybe the Ramones."
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I'm aware of the distinctions between the spirit of the law and the letter of the law, Ian. Simply put, Television has to be categorized. So what category would you place them in?
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Svetonio
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 09:53 |
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^ Schick rock?
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 09:58 |
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Just like ExitTheLemming said earlier, punk seems to function as a "cultural movement" first and a genre of music second in a lot of places, so quite a few artists who don't fit musically into the associated style get embraced by the subculture as part of it for reasons that are more sociological than anything else. Television's a good example of that, being more of an eccentric garage rock band whose fanbase happened to come mostly from the subculture gathered around the CBGB circuit. Same situation with The Fall for that matter, if you wanna see an example from my side of the Atlantic.
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 10:12 |
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Dean's comments ring true to me, about how small it really was.
Despite the consistant baying of every music publication of the day, there were just a handful of kids at school getting into the whole punk/new wave thing. 95% of the student body just wanted their Who, their Angus, and their JimmyP.
Everyone listened to hard rock and very few cared who Johnny Rotten was. Even as regards prog, the established prog and prog related bands had more fans than did the punk bands. It wasn't until later, by the time MTV was getting huge, that the "new" sound would rival Mr. Townshend and Mr. Page in terms of popularity in those high schools halls around here.
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SteveG
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 10:15 |
Toaster Mantis wrote:
Just like ExitTheLemming said earlier, punk seems to function as a "cultural movement" first and a genre of music second in a lot of places so quite a few artists, who don't fit musically into the associated style get embraced by the subculture as part of it for reasons that are more sociological than anything else. Television's a good example of that, being more of an eccentric garage rock band whose fanbase happened to come mostly from the subculture gathered around the CGBG circuit. Same situation with The Fall for that matter, if you wanna see an example from my side of the Atlantic. |
I agree 100% with you and Lemming (Ian) on how Television should be perceived, and how them perceived themselves musically, but again, how do we classify them if not by the Punk moniker?
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Dean
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 10:16 |
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Oh well, I guess we're back to semantics then.
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Well.. no. It has sod all to do with semantics. Throwing "semantics" back at me every time you make an incorrect assumption or misconstrue something is not a get out of jail free card.
Edited by Dean - March 07 2015 at 10:16
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What?
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SteveG
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 10:21 |
^We will continually disagree on this Dean, as I'm more interested in discussing music then playing with academics. We both have different priorities and it's better just to give each other space and move on. Agreed?
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Dean
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 10:29 |
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^We will continually disagree on this Dean, as I'm more interested in discussing music then playing with academics. We both have different priorities and it's better just to give each other space and move on. Agreed? |
No. Not agreed. It has nothing to do with "academics" or "semantics" or any other weasel-words you care to mention. You claimed I said something that I never actually said. Just admit it then you can move on.
And btw. The whole Television side-track that this thread had careered off on is irrelevant.
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SteveG
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 10:33 |
Very well then. Back on Topic everyone, Dean is not amused! I hope that helped.
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