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Jim Garten
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Retired Admin & Razor Guru
Joined: February 02 2004
Location: South England
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Points: 14693
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Posted: June 08 2005 at 07:36 |
Well leave them on the side of the plate, dear, and just eat the spam
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012
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the dragon
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Joined: May 17 2005
Location: Italy
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Points: 396
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Posted: June 08 2005 at 09:08 |
It seems that non american hate him most than american.
But for me is... mmmhh... ok.
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philippe
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Joined: March 14 2004
Location: noosphere
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Points: 3597
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Posted: June 08 2005 at 11:05 |
Bush is just a ...but his dogs and his father political family are a threat to humanity!
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marktheshark
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Joined: April 24 2005
Location: United States
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Points: 1695
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 23:03 |
Keep in mind. His opponent John Kerry in the last election had worse grades at Yale than him.
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nacho
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Joined: November 18 2004
Location: Spain
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Points: 521
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Posted: June 17 2005 at 03:19 |
And a less known daddy too...
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Eppur si muove
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Mr. Krinkle
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Joined: April 12 2005
Location: barcelona
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Points: 212
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Posted: June 17 2005 at 04:56 |
who could like this mother f$%&er!!!!
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Will Veda
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Joined: April 18 2005
Location: United States
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Points: 37
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Posted: June 17 2005 at 08:03 |
W (stands for Warmonger) is absolutely worst politician ever in the history of terrible politicians (including his dad). I hate my country mainly because of what he has turned it into. His smugness alone should raise everyone's eyebrows and how people can't see the stupidity that eminates from those beady eyes is way beyond me.
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spectral
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Joined: May 04 2005
Location: Vatican City State
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Points: 1422
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Posted: June 17 2005 at 08:34 |
Stupidity doesn't emanate from his beady eyes...nothing does! that is the point. he is a vacant, waste of space. His Daddy's friends have their fists firmly up his a$$ and are manipulating him , and therefore the people of the US, like oscar from sesame street.
The world has changed dramatically since 9/11, but not because of the atrocity that happened in NYC, but because of the foreign policy of the US. Their actions have been far more damaging than that of Osama. 9/11 seems like a licence for the US to exacerbate whatever war they desire...it's funny how 9/11 came 9 months into George Dubya's presidency.
I lived in the US for a while. I like the place and the people. but at the moment, I don't feel particulary inclined to head back there.
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"...misty halos made visible by the spectral illumination of moonshine."
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Dreamer
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Joined: March 13 2005
Location: Amsterdam
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Points: 297
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Posted: June 26 2005 at 07:08 |
I can't believe anyone would vote for him, even my dog would realise his stupidity!!!
What really annoyed me is the "dont believe the lies" moto he was using against kerry, how can he even talk about other people lying????!!!??!?
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Jared
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Joined: May 06 2005
Location: Hereford, UK
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Points: 19322
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Posted: June 26 2005 at 12:57 |
on which side would you place your confidence?
still not too sure?
still need a little convincing?
the results are conclusive ladies and gentlemen, I think you'll agree
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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gleam
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Joined: April 01 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 299
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Posted: June 26 2005 at 13:06 |
spectral wrote:
gdub411 - are you serious? There is no way Bush can be compared to Winston Churchill. Churchill is probably one of the world's greatest ever leaders; Bush is just a prick who can't even speak properly. |
Spectral,
It would do you wonders to pick up a book every once in a while. They have these things called "words", you link them together and they make sentences. Link those together and they make paragraphs from which a thought or idea emanates.
The purpose of this diatribe is to get you acquainted with The Ultra Secret. This was a sensitive code the Germans used during WW2 and thought was unbreakable. However, the code was broken early in the war. Here's the clincher...the Germans targeted several British cities for the purpose of terror bombing. Churchill was informed of this beforehand and let the cities be bombed without providing advance notice. First because he didn't want the Germans to suspect their code had been broken. Second, he knew that the British would react with rightous indignation at the terror bombings and this in turn would strengthen their resolve against the Germans.
Earlier in his career as Lord of the Admiralty during WW!, he was responsible for the Dardannelles fiasco and was forced to resign.
In a nutshell, Churchill was certaintly a formidable fellow but not one of "the greatest leaders". He was first and formost, a politician. He dealt with the world's realities which unfortunately don't have anything to do with the rosy sentiments much of us would like to aspire to.
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spectral
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Location: Vatican City State
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Posted: June 26 2005 at 13:33 |
There is also a belief that Churchill knew of the threat to pearl harbour, but did nothing so as to get the Americans into the war. A shrewd and intelligent fellow indeed - something which can never and will never be said of Bush. "Thick as sh1t", yep, that's George Dubya, but not intelligent.
Churchill was the great manipulator; without his leadership Britain would have falter in WWII. The USA were key in winning the war, but if The Battle of Britain had been lost, WWII would have been lost.
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"...misty halos made visible by the spectral illumination of moonshine."
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gleam
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Joined: April 01 2005
Location: United States
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Points: 299
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Posted: June 26 2005 at 14:09 |
Spectral,
Wishfull British thinking...
If the Battle of Britain had been lost it would have meant the invasion of Great Britain and Germany's consolidation of it's European conquest by the end of 1940. Pearl Harbor was still a year away and whatever Churchill knew or not, would have been of no consequence as he would have either been shot or at least imprisoned.
The war was won on two front's. First Hitler's invasion of Russia created a second front he could ill afford to mantain, fighting a greater maniac than himself . Seconf the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor which they misintrepreted as a "Knock out" blow, only served to wake up the sleeping giant who would eventually pound the Axis into the ground.
As far as Dubya is concerned, he was shrewd enough to get Blair up to his ears in Iraq. So who's the least intelligent of the two?
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spectral
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Joined: May 04 2005
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Points: 1422
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Posted: June 26 2005 at 14:43 |
Bush and intelligent is an oxymoron if ever there was one. In no certain terms can bush ever be compared to the likes of churchill. Churchill is remembered for leading britain and the allies to victory. bush will be remembered for leading the US into a second vietnam, causing instability in the world and for being an imbecile. judging by the recent press, a lot of your fellow citizens are beginning to wake up to just how terrible a president bush is - about time too!
as for blair...he's just as bad as bush IMO!
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"...misty halos made visible by the spectral illumination of moonshine."
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gleam
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Joined: April 01 2005
Location: United States
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Points: 299
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Posted: June 26 2005 at 15:09 |
PLEASE, Churchill leading the allies to victory!!!!
That's rich, the next thing you'll be babbling is how great Montgomery was? That's what I love about the British, firmly entrenched in the 18th century.
As far as your statement of "Bush leading the US into a second Vietnam", the conditions are very different. Your sweeping statements are as vacous as your illusion that the British had remotely anything to do with the U.S. winning WW2. At best, England was a good launching pad for the U.S. to take the war to the Germans. Englands role in WW2 after the U.S. entry was ancillary at best. Specially in their failure to capture Caen after the Normandy invasion and Montgomery's muck up of Market Garden.
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spectral
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Joined: May 04 2005
Location: Vatican City State
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Points: 1422
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Posted: June 26 2005 at 15:19 |
gleam wrote:
PLEASE, Churchill leading the allies to victory!!!!
That's rich, the next thing you'll be babbling is how great Montgomery was? That's what I love about the British, firmly entrenched in the 18th century.
As far as your statement of "Bush leading the US into a second Vietnam", the conditions are very different. Your sweeping statements are as vacous as your illusion that the British had remotely anything to do with the U.S. winning WW2. At best, England was a good launching pad for the U.S. to take the war to the Germans. Englands role in WW2 after the U.S. entry was ancillary at best. Specially in their failure to capture Caen after the Normandy invasion and Montgomery's muck up of Market Garden.
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I'm not British.
Bush is a f***wit, attempts to convince people otherwise are pointless. you only have to look at the current state of this poll to know that. The current instability in the world is due, almost entirely, down to the foreign policy of the US. If you continue to meddle in the middle east you are going to f*** things up for generations. I won't even go into the US stance on the environment; more so than invading countries, Bush's policy will destroy this planet for our kids, grandkids etc.
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"...misty halos made visible by the spectral illumination of moonshine."
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gleam
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Joined: April 01 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 299
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Posted: June 26 2005 at 15:34 |
Ok so your not British, your certaintly not very well informed.
The current state of this poll isn't even remotely an indicator of the publics general sentiment. On the contrary, the majority of the people on this site are 22 years or younger. They have little practical working experience, are living under their parents roof and would have difficulty differentiating between their elbow and their chin.
As far as current world instability is concerned, what are you talking about? If there is any instability, it's certainly due to each countries abilty or inabilty to deal with their internal problems.
The U.S. foreign policy is clear, we will not have a repeat of 9/11. Now if you think trying to create a democracy in a region known for oppression, human rights transgressions not to mention their treatment of women is not right...then my friend you have no remedy.
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spectral
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Joined: May 04 2005
Location: Vatican City State
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Points: 1422
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Posted: June 26 2005 at 15:54 |
You have an incredibly low opinion of youth or men/women in their early 20s. I think that the younger generation have the opportunity to be more well informed than that of preceding generations. To say that an adult of 22 yrs old is not going to have an informed opinion on the US, Iraq or anything political is incredibly obtuse.
The poll is a good indication of world public opinion toward the US. Face facts, the majority of the world hate you.
So, 9/11 happens and you invade a country that had nothing to do with it. Yep, that makes perfect sense. Rather than ensuring 9/11 isn't repeated, you are exacerbating the situation and increasing the likelihood of it happening again - US middle eastern policy is the reason it happened, invading a country in the middle east isn't going to help. Anyway, perhaps concentrating on improving your own intelligence/homeland agencies would be a better solution than entering into wars which will inevitably kill more people than 9/11.
Bush and his cronies have created themselves a mandate to invade whoever they like, all under the banner of "9/11".
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"...misty halos made visible by the spectral illumination of moonshine."
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synthguy
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Joined: February 25 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 225
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Posted: June 26 2005 at 17:05 |
Gleam wrote:
"Your sweeping statements are as vacous as your
illusion that the British had remotely anything to do
with the U.S. winning WW2. At best, England was a
good launching pad for the U.S. to take the war to the
Germans. Englands role in WW2 after the U.S. entry
was ancillary at best."
That's an interesting statement. I suppose the
"Russians" contributions to the effort were "ancillary
at best." I just don't get it, I guess.
Spectral Wrote:
"The poll is a good indication of world public opinion
toward the US. Face facts, the majority of the world
hate you."
I hope you don't mean me, personally.
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Wearing feelings on our faces when our faces took a rest...
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spectral
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Joined: May 04 2005
Location: Vatican City State
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Posted: June 26 2005 at 17:22 |
^ not you personally, just the actions of your govt! Shame really, as I lived in the States for a number of years and I like it over there!
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"...misty halos made visible by the spectral illumination of moonshine."
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