Does Miles Davis belong in Prog?

HackettFan wrote: Kati wrote: I have a question; Is ProgArchives, related to progressive music in general or only to progressive "rock" music? This is very unclear to me right now. We'll have to review all the Dean and Moshkito exchanges. The answer's in there somewhere.

Padraic wrote: Kati wrote: I have a question; Is ProgArchives, related to progressive music in general or only to progressive "rock" music? This is very unclear to me right now. Yes

Andy Webb wrote: To answer your question, PA has all music directly related to progressive rock as we know it in its pure 70s form. This includes all those 70s 'heros,' the spinoffs of those bands who have a progressive nature, and bands who took influence from those 70s bands and applied them to their own genres. The subgenres we have on the main site fit those descriptions. All of the music we have on the site is progressive music, but the blanket of "progressive music" is far larger than our site holds. Genres like "progressive house" don't belong here because they have no relation to prog rock, while genres like "progressive electronic" do belong here because of the direct connection between the Berlin School of electronic music and 70s progressive rock. Does that answer your question?

A beautifully concise and candid post certainly. Now that Admin have confirmed the future direction of the site we can get on with what we do best, arguing the toss about everyone and anyone's Prog credentials. My habitual abrasive cynicism and trollish badgering aside, I am extremely glad that PA will remain an exclusive (albeit a very broad church) closed only to those who put IOUs on the collection plate and defecate in the fount. Thanks Andy.

Andy's answer is obviously superior to my terse retort above. I should have read the last page before posting.

Andy Webb wrote: To answer your question, PA has all music directly related to progressive rock as we know it in its pure 70s form. This includes all those 70s 'heros,' the spinoffs of those bands who have a progressive nature, and bands who took influence from those 70s bands and applied them to their own genres. The subgenres we have on the main site fit those descriptions. All of the music we have on the site is progressive music, but the blanket of "progressive music" is far larger than our site holds. Genres like "progressive house" don't belong here because they have no relation to prog rock, while genres like "progressive electronic" do belong here because of the direct connection between the Berlin School of electronic music and 70s progressive rock. Does that answer your question?

Kati wrote: micky wrote: Kati wrote: I have a question; Is ProgArchives, related to progressive music in general or only to progressive "rock" music? This is very unclear to me right now. join the crowd...  a point made across many pages, in many threads. It is unclear, vague. David called it best. Limbo dudette... Doctor Micky's advice just drink.. lots of booze.. either you will finally understand.. that there is no understanding .. or you will cease to think and stop caring.. either way you win! hahaha!! Micky, what you said is so funny  I am starting to believe all you said here above is actually true really hahaha!! Cheers and a massive big hug to you

disbelieve at your own risk, to your santity darlin'.

Micky may not know much.. but years in the trenches of evaluating and adding bands as well as tweaking subgenres here educated me there are two forces at play here. I took bullets and have scars to show for my efforts to broaden the spectrum of what the site covers. 

The site is a a limbo land between Prog Rock and Progressive (Rock) Music outside the stylistic norms that Prog Rock has established.  When you can look at a band and say.. they are prog... or NOT prog you have to ask yourself why.  Prog Rock like any genre.. has certain dots to be connected, connect them and even though you might be the most derivative group in sound and styles you will be called prog. Conversely you can be the most progressive group.. yet sound or hold no direct stylistic tie to 'Prog Rock' and you will not be callled Prog.

Some though have pushed and made sure those bands get added. Some have.. some did not.

 Thus in all seriousness.. you have the limbo David spoke off.. the site is not a Prog Rock website..it has progressed far past that.. but neither has it become a Progressive music website.


Edited by micky - January 15 2015 at 17:39

I stand by what I stated on a lot of posts above here. Further debate for me would be redundant. 

I'm a little late joining this thread.  Somebody may already have said this (I didn't want to check through every post over the last 19 pages!).

Green Shield Stamp wrote: I'm a little late joining this thread.  Somebody may already have said this (I didn't want to check through every post over the last 19 pages!). The jazz fusion work produced by Miles Davis is appropriate for inclusion in Prog Archives. However, sitting at No.29 of Prog Archives top 100 albums is 'Kind of Blue'.  This is undoubtedly a great album but it is not prog (bearing in mind that prog is a sub genre of ROCK. It is a straight ahead jazz album.  Herein lies the problem: because some of Miles Davis' albums are prog related, he is included in Prog Archives.

Just about everyone on PA knows this and you should probably have checked through a few more posts.

As said earlier, this is down to the absence of album-wise genre tagging on this website.  IF there were enough pop Genesis fans on this website, you might have had Invisible Touch breaking into the dreaded PA top 100.  As it happens, there aren't enough of them however enough prog heads do like Kind of Blue to give it a high rating, notwithstanding its lack of prog.