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Of course, it's harmless and well intentioned on the whole, I said as much earlier.  And as I also said earlier, it's just a bit difficult for me to get deeply moved by it because I know that for us, it's just a way of life.  There's nothing to see here....for me.   We have gurus going on all day about these same topics and they pocket a lot of money for doing so...and one fine day, some of them (not all, I won't be that harsh) go to prison for fraud, molestation, murder, you name it.  LOL  So I just can't help feeling very cynical about it.  In no way was it intended to be an objective criticism of Anderson's lyrics; rather I was just reflecting on it from a personal standpoint as to why the leave me cold.  There's nothing exotic about chanting.  My school used to play the gayatri mantra on speakers every morning to wake us up and force us to attend.  LOL As I said, just another way of life.
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

and anytime you can get people starting to think big picture rather than their own selfish selves. It is damned well a good thing

Well, in Western society which works smoothly on an everyday basis (I assume), yes, it may be nice to step back.  But such philosophy when applied to a third world country with the world's largest population of the impoverished (yipee do! LOL) can be very incongruous and would be funny if it weren't so sad.  In a country where nothing can be relied upon with absolute certainty to work the one time you need it most, it wouldn't hurt to instill some drive and competitiveness into ourselves and focus on the here and now instead of dream of the illusory sone ki chidiya (golden sparrow), which is how India was referred to and still is sometimes.  What may appear as profound truth across the oceans is fatalistic escapism when applied to the state of things in India.  Basically telling the poor that they should just pray to God and forget about their worries....nevermind that the famed Thirumala temple probably has enough money by way of donations received over the years to feed the poor of the populous Andhra Pradesh state.  


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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

and anytime you can get people starting to think big picture rather than their own selfish selves. It is damned well a good thing

Well, in Western society which works smoothly, yes, it may be nice to step back.  But such philosophy when applied to a third world with the world's largest population of the impoverished (yipee do! LOL) can be very incongruous and would be funny if it weren't so sad.  In a country where nothing can be relied upon with absolute certainty to work the one time you need it most, it wouldn't hurt to instill some drive and competitiveness into ourselves and focus on the here and now instead of dream of the illusory sone ki chidiya (golden sparrow), which is how India was referred to and still is sometimes.  What may appear as profound truth across the oceans is fatalistic escapism when applied to the state of things in India.  Basically telling the poor that they should just pray to God and forget about their worries....nevermind that the famed Thirumala temple probably has enough money by way of donations received over the years to feed the poor of the populous Andhra Pradesh state.  


understand (and agree) with your point completely SmileClap
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Not a fan of voting against Floyd, but Yes it is.
Not a fan of voting for Yes, so Floyd it is. Tongue Ouch

Originally posted by Argonaught Argonaught wrote:

TER is a great album. I am slightly annoyed it has been bashed the way it has here on PA,...
Confused Bashed? LOL Hardly! I mean, it's got a rating smack between good and great, and only 3 out of 28 reviewers rate it lower than three stars. How on Fripp's green earth is that bashing!?
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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Of course, it's harmless and well intentioned on the whole, I said as much earlier.  And as I also said earlier, it's just a bit difficult for me to get deeply moved by it because I know that for us, it's just a way of life.  There's nothing to see here....for me.   We have gurus going on all day about these same topics and they pocket a lot of money for doing so...and one fine day, some of them (not all, I won't be that harsh) go to prison for fraud, molestation, murder, you name it.  LOL  So I just can't help feeling very cynical about it.  In no way was it intended to be an objective criticism of Anderson's lyrics; rather I was just reflecting on it from a personal standpoint as to why the leave me cold.  There's nothing exotic about chanting.  My school used to play the gayatri mantra on speakers every morning to wake us up and force us to attend.  LOL As I said, just another way of life.


Unfortunately the same can be said for anywhere one lives…Unhappy We have clergymen and preachers of the same caliber here in the US. 

Anderson actually voiced religious deception on Close to the Edge- How many millions do we deceive each day?

However, not all religious educators are crooked and not all spout out half-truths.  Religious texts are heavily cloaked with cryptic writing.   If the books are taken verbatim one can get seriously wrapped up in BS.Wacko

Chanting is a tool, and if done properly can be transcendental.  Wink
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Confused Bashed? LOL Hardly! I mean, it's got a rating smack between good and great, and only 3 out of 28 reviewers rate it lower than three stars. How on Fripp's green earth is that bashing!?
Lower than 3 stars means "poor", the PA euphemism for it being "for fans only". There is nothing poor about TER. 
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Originally posted by CosmicVibration CosmicVibration wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Of course, it's harmless and well intentioned on the whole, I said as much earlier.  And as I also said earlier, it's just a bit difficult for me to get deeply moved by it because I know that for us, it's just a way of life.  There's nothing to see here....for me.   We have gurus going on all day about these same topics and they pocket a lot of money for doing so...and one fine day, some of them (not all, I won't be that harsh) go to prison for fraud, molestation, murder, you name it.  LOL  So I just can't help feeling very cynical about it.  In no way was it intended to be an objective criticism of Anderson's lyrics; rather I was just reflecting on it from a personal standpoint as to why the leave me cold.  There's nothing exotic about chanting.  My school used to play the gayatri mantra on speakers every morning to wake us up and force us to attend.  LOL As I said, just another way of life.


Unfortunately the same can be said for anywhere one lives…Unhappy We have clergymen and preachers of the same caliber here in the US. 

Anderson actually voiced religious deception on Close to the Edge- How many millions do we deceive each day?

However, not all religious educators are crooked and not all spout out half-truths.  Religious texts are heavily cloaked with cryptic writing.   If the books are taken verbatim one can get seriously wrapped up in BS.Wacko

Chanting is a tool, and if done properly can be transcendental.  Wink



Yes, I am sure you do.  And I am also sure there are more people there who reject them than here.  You'd have to see the never ending queues at Thirumala, all year round, to understand the difference.  In India, the religious heads exert a lot more influence on people's lives.  But even the few who claim to be more enlightened and spiritual don't use this influence in a positive way.  When an anti superstition activist was murdered, even the enlightened gurus like Jaggi Vasudeva had nothing to say about it.  They were also slow in condemning the refusal of Asaram Bapu to surrender to the police in a rape case.  Such deafening silence is not unusual in India where 'relations' are valued more than integrity but it sure makes one more cynical.

I am not an atheist, mind you.  Just completely turned off spiritual gurus.  If I want to, I will have a conversation with God in my time of need.  I don't need an intermediary standing in my way.


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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

He does have a very beautiful voice but I am afraid he doesn't do very much with his instrument.  There is hardly any modulation and next to no vibrato even where there ought to be.  Even in terms of the emotions he can evoke, his range is quite limited.  Most good singers have a soft, mellow side of their tone AND a dark, hefty side as well (even without using any 'grit').  But if Anderson does have that, he doesn't use it.  I have heard Yes fans justify it as being what the music required.  Maybe but it doesn't work for me.  I have to kind of shut it out of my mind and focus on the rest of the music.  At the other end of the spectrum is Howe who is, by many accounts, a great guitarist but I don't like his tone on the electric.  Nylon string/acoustic is a different story altogether.  No complaints of any sort against Wakeman, Squire and Bruford though.  


Oh well, perhaps I don't know much about theory for singers, so I wouldn't know much about his modulation or vibratos. I just know I like how his singing sounds, his voice, he does sing high and soft, at least, and the vocal harmonies are most beautiful. There are few moments in rock that can get close to the singing at the beginning of Revealing Science of God, or the Soon section from Gates of Delirium, or in general the singing on Awaken, to name just a few.
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We agree to disagree then.  In rock as a whole, there are plenty other vocal moments I would choose over Anderson vocals.
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another vote for Floyd I'm afraid. I listen to PF much more often and to be honest I have always prefered them - spacey stuff has always been my bag.
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I love Yes with Bruford, but generally speaking I prefer Pink Floyd
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Originally posted by Argonaught Argonaught wrote:

Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

Confused Bashed? LOL Hardly! I mean, it's got a rating smack between good and great, and only 3 out of 28 reviewers rate it lower than three stars. How on Fripp's green earth is that bashing!?
Lower than 3 stars means "poor", the PA euphemism for it being "for fans only". There is nothing poor about TER. 
I know what lower than 3 stars mean, and 3.5 means between good and great/excellent. 57% of the raters actually thinks the album is, at least, an "excellent addition to any prog rock music collection", while 18% of the raters, and only 11% of the reviewers, thinks the album is, as you put it, "poor". I ask again, how can this be considered bashing? What did you expect?

When a big name like Floyd releases an album it attracts attention even from those who are not fans of the band (like me Big smile ), so I suspect its rating will drop even a bit closer to 3.00, in time, but anything above 3.00 is stil a respectable grade, that is, unless you think it's a masterpiece, then I could understand your disappointment.
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bah...

poll closed.  Pink Floyd put another notch in its bedpost.

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 What did you expect? 
Some accuracy and relevance. Neither of us is going to convince each other, but here are some facts and figures that are kind of hard to deny:

The 2014 Top 100 lists a number of albums (about a dozen, I think?) that have been rated by fewer than 10 people, as of Jan 18, 2015. These are indeed "for fans only", and, for that matter, for a rather narrow circle of fans, such as friends, family members and one-two PA collabs. 

Yet, because of the way QWR formula works, such albums can be assigned a PA rating that far exceeds that of TER and is described as verbatim "Essential: a masterpiece of progressive rock music". Which, I'd argue, is inaccurate and therefore useless for someone who is browsing PA in search of some good advice. 


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Originally posted by Argonaught Argonaught wrote:

Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

 What did you expect? 
Some accuracy and relevance. Neither of us is going to convince each other, but here are some facts and figures that are kind of hard to deny:

The 2014 Top 100 lists a number of albums (about a dozen, I think?) that have been rated by fewer than 10 people, as of Jan 18, 2015. These are indeed "for fans only", and, for that matter, for a rather narrow circle of fans, such as friends, family members and one-two PA collabs. 

Yet, because of the way QWR formula works, such albums can be assigned a PA rating that far exceeds that of TER and is described as verbatim "Essential: a masterpiece of progressive rock music". Which, I'd argue, is inaccurate and therefore useless for someone who is browsing PA in search of some good advice. 
But the number of ratings is down to popularity. It says nothing about the quality of the album. I mean, a band will at first be known only to the few, before it's known to the masses. An album can be excellent even if only a few people knows about it. On the other hand, if those bands had been big names, more people would know about them, and subsequently rate their albums, with the probable result being lower QWR.
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Yes and it's not even close! Nothing Pink Floyd ever did can come close to the musical masterpiece Close to the Edge!
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