Lima Regional Final: Genesis v. Jethro Toe

Just checked with the Mrs and she said my votes fine.  But next time I need to aske her first.

dr prog wrote: Tull comfortably. Now that we have all the tull remixes, they have too many strong tracks every year for Genesis to compete with them. I doubt several Genesis fans have the all important tull remixed box sets so they are missing out on half their great tracks

bhikkhu wrote: dr prog wrote: Tull comfortably. Now that we have all the tull remixes, they have too many strong tracks every year for Genesis to compete with them. I doubt several Genesis fans have the all important tull remixed box sets so they are missing out on half their great tracks Have you ever considered there was a reason a lot of this stuff wasn't released?

hmmm...I'll answer that one Alex.

I'll take sh*tty Jethro Tull outtakes for $1000


perhaps it was because they weren't up to the standards of the crap they did release.   hah. It isn't like Tull had albums filled to the brim with classics...  if it didn't make an album...  urrgggg.

Nostaglia... the kryptonite to a prog fans intellect.

micky wrote: bhikkhu wrote: dr prog wrote: Tull comfortably. Now that we have all the tull remixes, they have too many strong tracks every year for Genesis to compete with them. I doubt several Genesis fans have the all important tull remixed box sets so they are missing out on half their great tracks Have you ever considered there was a reason a lot of this stuff wasn't released?  hmmm...I'll answer that one Alex. I'll take sh*tty Jethro Tull outtakes for $1000 perhaps it was because they weren't up to the standards of the crap they did release.   hah. It isn't like Tull had albums filled to the brim with classics...  if it didn't make an album...  urrgggg. Nostaglia... the kryptonite to a prog fans intellect.

akamaisondufromage wrote: 'Italian Wedding Band'

yeah.. that was good wasn't it

The Dark Elf wrote: micky wrote: bhikkhu wrote: dr prog wrote: Tull comfortably. Now that we have all the tull remixes, they have too many strong tracks every year for Genesis to compete with them. I doubt several Genesis fans have the all important tull remixed box sets so they are missing out on half their great tracks Have you ever considered there was a reason a lot of this stuff wasn't released?  hmmm...I'll answer that one Alex. I'll take sh*tty Jethro Tull outtakes for $1000 perhaps it was because they weren't up to the standards of the crap they did release.   hah. It isn't like Tull had albums filled to the brim with classics...  if it didn't make an album...  urrgggg. Nostaglia... the kryptonite to a prog fans intellect.   Micky, forget your almost psychotic love for a second-tier Italian wedding band for a moment. We realize your love in this instance is unnatural and perhaps not even legal in some countries. We still accept you as that sort of weird uncle who we only have to see on certain holidays.   But I will point you to the fact that the output from Tull during the early 70s was phenomenal, to the point where an album of b-sides, EP releases and songs left off albums actually went to #3 in the U.S.; in fact the album Living in the Past was so good, even the Rolling Stone magazine (who usually abhor Tull and consider the New York Dolls musically important) rated the album 5 stars. To this day, it's still one of my favorite Tull albums.

yeah... and that album was done by the PRE-Prog version of the group which no one is their right mind DOES NOT like   That was a great group with 4 great albums.

the issues isn't whether Tull sucks.. they don't.. or whether their 70's stuff sucks.. it doesn't.. they have a leg up on Genesis in that ... the issue really cuts to the heart of what is better... fabulously done folksie-blues rock or average to mediocre prog rock.  For some... including myself.. .Tull died in the heart when they reached for more than they were capable of delivering. 


Edited by micky - January 04 2015 at 14:56

oh yeah.  I have no doubt fans of the group love the albums. Arguing tastes is pointless.

Hence the discussion we had previously.  For those NOT fans there really is only one classic album.. Thick as a Brick

Even then for some... like me... it might be a classic. and acknowledge it as such..  but still find it is still boring as hell.   The single taken from it sums the album up well. That is an immediate strike against it in my book.

Try doing that with a Yes album.. that ain't happening. If you can pull a 7 minute bit of it... then what does it say of the rest of it... oh yeah... that it is fluff.. pure and simple.  Listen to a similar attempt to do the same with Close to the Edge... simply unlistenable. That is IMO the difference between well constructed... great Prog rock.. and average to mediocre slapped together prog, with great core (inital idead) and a disposable body ..the fluff.

Which again goes back to what made great Tull great in the first place and what they did so well.. nice simple 4 to 5 minute long songs and without the intellectual bullsh*t.  Very few can do it well,  most fail miserably at it. One reason for the enduring brilliance of Yes is they were one of the few that could do it, yet couched it so abstractly and obtusely you really don't know or care what Jon was singing about.



Edited by micky - January 04 2015 at 15:29

bhikkhu wrote: dr prog wrote: Tull comfortably. Now that we have all the tull remixes, they have too many strong tracks every year for Genesis to compete with them. I doubt several Genesis fans have the all important tull remixed box sets so they are missing out on half their great tracks Have you ever considered there was a reason a lot of this stuff wasn't released?

Tulls outtakes and b sides are many of their best tracks? 50 of tulls best 100 songs are non album tracks. They weren't on the albums because Ian wanted to produce some commercial radio free songs for each album. That's the only reason I can come up with.

Nogbad_The_Bad wrote: I checked with my wife and she said she hates that noodly crap so I guess no vote for me the rest of the tournament.

i'm hip.

When my Prog addiction started over 25 years ago, Genesis was essential, but over the years JT's discography grows and grows.

For the good old times, Genesis +1.