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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2014 at 11:28
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

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Actually, Spector Sound was a production "formula" for recordings, while Stanley's Wall of Sound was developed for live gigs of the Grateful Dead, and later used by e.g. Pink Floyd.

PF did not use the "Wall of Sound" ... when I saw them in 1972 and 1974. They used a special setup they called "Quadraphonic Sound" ... which was all around you, not in front on the stage!!!!!

It was the same later for "The Wall" at the Sports Arena and a couple of years later at Anaheim Stadium, though by that time they had more equipment to show for it, but it was not a wall of sound, as the GF usually had.
 
Nowadays with the quality of the speakers and digital sound, a lot of this is hidden and buried, and I mentioned it in "The Wall" review with Roger recently, which, to my ears, lost some of its beauty because the sound only went left to right and then right to left, when before it went all around you, and the effect was far better and stronger.
 
I guess that "meaning" is no longer an important feature in music these days! Or discussions, for that matter!
 
Of course they did not have the same system.
However, it is well known that the PF were inspired by the Grateful Dead's Wall of Sound, and then they were designed their own version.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2014 at 11:41
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

I  do not what to say here above to be honest. this seems fruitless. The Wall and Animals is Waters and wow pros and cons of hitchhiking plus amused to death, these, two of my overall best albums to date!
 
I was merely poking fun at the "no Floyd without Barrett" remark, though I'm sure they're out there. LOL
 
I like Pros & Cons as well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2014 at 13:26
I'm glad that I stayed out of this discussion Big smile , but I missed talking to kati.  Cry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2014 at 13:41
from ATTWT to Floyd with or without Crazy syd Barrett??? This thread is all over the shop like a boozed up Trollope from Geordie-shores staggering across my 60 incher.....the Nadir of televisual entertainment!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2014 at 13:43
^That's Rock & Roll for ya! Party
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2014 at 14:13
Gotta love those Banksynths.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2014 at 19:19
^Thanks, V. that hit the spot. Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2014 at 01:13
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Gotta love those Banksynths.
 
 

Just a pity that Chester plays like he's in a coma

the album version has that bit of 'zip' this track needs. Opening tracks at gigs can be a bit too 'safe'. Squonk was always a better opening track because it suited the safe approach but I assume by this time it had been dropped from their live set. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2014 at 04:21
^^^ Is that Down & Out? I can't see the clip on my work PC. YT is blocked.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2014 at 09:52
Live version (opener) of "Deep in the Motherlode" on the Duke tour.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2014 at 10:19
^^^ Thanks. Yes I have heard that and the studio version is better.

I think they did play Squonk on the Duke tour.

They opened with Behind the Lines on the Abacab tour on many dates. That's quite a work out for a opener imo.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2014 at 11:29
^In all fairness, the studio version was heavily treated with recording effects that are impossible to replicate live, but it's a good effort.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2014 at 11:47
Listening to ATTWT right now. Even out of sequence this is great. "Down and Out" is one of the best songs Genesis ever recorded. Balls to the wall! "Burning Rope" and "Undertow" are beautiful. "Ballad of Big" currently playing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2014 at 12:14
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:


Listening to ATTWT right now. Even out of sequence this is great. "Down and Out" is one of the best songs Genesis ever recorded. Balls to the wall! "Burning Rope" and "Undertow" are beautiful. "Ballad of Big" currently playing.


Yep! Agree about Down & Out. One of their best songs!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2014 at 12:16
I guess ATTWT will up on my turntable next. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2014 at 14:32
^ Jebus YOU must have something better than that to spin SURELY!!! Im finding this quite hilarious - "Down & Out" one of the best songs that Genesis ever recorded.....I'll have to check the URL  surely I'm logged onto http://www.teenybopperworld.com or summat similar.....Stern Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2014 at 14:37
Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:


^ Jebus YOU must have something better than that to spin SURELY!!! Im finding this quite hilarious - "Down & Out" one of the best songs that Genesis ever recorded.....I'll have to check the URL  surely I'm logged onto http://www.teenybopperworld.com or summat similar.....Stern Smile


Funny how this album really polarises opinions.

I was watching a Genesis interview about Invisble Touch on Youtube the other day. Some of the comments read like the script from American Psycho. "The very best album they ever made. Their early stuff was crap" That kind of thing, and I think they were serious!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2014 at 14:49
Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

^ Jebus YOU must have something better than that to spin SURELY!!! Im finding this quite hilarious - "Down & Out" one of the best songs that Genesis ever recorded.....I'll have to check the URL  surely I'm logged onto http://www.teenybopperworld.com or summat similar.....Stern Smile
 
LOLLOLLOL
 
Sorry, mate, I'm one of "the bad ones"...I actually prefer the Banks-Collins-Hackett-Rutherford incarnation to the one with Pete.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2014 at 14:50
Seriously, though, how anyone could liken "Down and Out" to bubblegum pop, even in jest, is beyond me...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2014 at 16:22
Down and Out is a great song. Genesis were one of the few prog bands who were able to condense the prog sound into shorter tracks. This album is very much in the vein of Wind and Wuthering, just condensed. I seriously wonder if people who say Genesis became a pop band after Wind and Wuthering even bothered to listen to this one.

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