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Kati

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Posted: November 18 2014 at 05:16

Tom Ozric wrote:

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Pink Floyd is not PF without Roger Waters nor it would be without Gilmour xxxxx

OMG

........this is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.......so help me...........(my sis worships Gilmour, and can't stand Waters !!!!!)

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Posted: November 18 2014 at 05:20

Strip Poker - Floyd .....???? I don't make the connection.....but I think you have more important things to carry on with beyond PA. Luv ya' Kati

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Posted: November 18 2014 at 05:24

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Ain't Spector in jail ??
FYFM does sport a pretty cool ARP solo from Banks, don't recall hearing that in any ABBA song (although I do have the LP of The Visitors).

I know he's in jail. You know he's in jail, but does Svetonio know? LOL

In fact, Wall of Sound was developed for the Grateful Dead by Owsley "Bear" Stanley, the sound-engineer who was actually released from jail one year earlier LOL

As Stanley described it,

"The Wall of Sound is the name some people gave to a super powerful, extremely accurate PA system that I designed and supervised the building of in 1973 for the Grateful Dead. It was a massive wall of speaker arrays set behind the musicians, which they themselves controlled without a front of house mixer. It did not need any delay towers to reach a distance of half a mile from the stage without degradation."

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Posted: November 18 2014 at 05:28

Tom Ozric wrote:

Strip Poker - Floyd .....???? I don't make the connection.....but I think you have more important things to carry on with beyond PA. Luv ya' Kati

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hahasha Tom how our paths have not crossed each other here is crazy hahaha!!!

This is for you and Jeff Beck on guitars, one of the best albums too to date

Roger Waters - Amused To Death xxx big

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUbxZHQcOTs&list=PLMyHPEAFkfwPrHo40qr1-pvZEZcejDeOw&index=15

Edited by Kati - November 18 2014 at 05:28

Kati

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Posted: November 18 2014 at 05:30

Phil Spector is in jail indeed.

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Posted: November 18 2014 at 05:30

This wall stuff was called years before Owsley when Spector did The Beatles.....
The Dead just developed the idea to the extreme..........
........and Lesh is a superb Bassist..........

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Posted: November 18 2014 at 05:35

Kati wrote:

Phil Spector is in jail indeed.

For something dodgey, no doubt (I don't remember, I don't recall.....).....
....and yes, Waters......... The track 'It's A Miracle' just blows me away..............to smitherines..........

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Posted: November 18 2014 at 05:38

Svetonio wrote:

SteveG wrote:

Tom Ozric wrote:

Ain't Spector in jail ??
FYFM does sport a pretty cool ARP solo from Banks, don't recall hearing that in any ABBA song (although I do have the LP of The Visitors).

I know he's in jail. You know he's in jail, but does Svetonio know? LOL

In fact, Wall of Sound was developed for the Grateful Dead by Owsley "Bear" Stanley, the sound-engineer who was actually released from jail one year earlier LOL

As Stanley described it,

"The Wall of Sound is the name some people gave to a super powerful, extremely accurate PA system that I designed and supervised the building of in 1973 for the Grateful Dead. It was a massive wall of speaker arrays set behind the musicians, which they themselves controlled without a front of house mixer. It did not need any delay towers to reach a distance of half a mile from the stage without degradation."

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ha! Sventio :) I always was under the impression that Spector developed/came up with the wall of sound :) xxxx

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Posted: November 18 2014 at 05:41

Again you crack me up Kati - Sventio, Sventonio, Svetonio...... for years this name baffles me

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Svetonio

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Posted: November 18 2014 at 05:42

Kati wrote:

Svetonio wrote:

SteveG wrote:

Tom Ozric wrote:

Ain't Spector in jail ??
FYFM does sport a pretty cool ARP solo from Banks, don't recall hearing that in any ABBA song (although I do have the LP of The Visitors).

I know he's in jail. You know he's in jail, but does Svetonio know? LOL

In fact, Wall of Sound was developed for the Grateful Dead by Owsley "Bear" Stanley, the sound-engineer who was actually released from jail one year earlier LOL

As Stanley described it,

"The Wall of Sound is the name some people gave to a super powerful, extremely accurate PA system that I designed and supervised the building of in 1973 for the Grateful Dead. It was a massive wall of speaker arrays set behind the musicians, which they themselves controlled without a front of house mixer. It did not need any delay towers to reach a distance of half a mile from the stage without degradation."

link

ha! Sventio :) I always was under the impression that Spector developed/came up with the wall of sound :) xxxx

I do not.

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Posted: November 18 2014 at 05:46

Sventonio, I am not speaking on behalf of Tom, he is my bedlam inmate you :) Tom this is for you

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Posted: November 18 2014 at 05:51

^ Oh dear

....I love Pros And Cons for years....... Thanks Kati. Gotta go, up at Sparrows Fart for slavery tomorrow morn...... It's just about 10pm here and I need my 'beast sleep'.........

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Posted: November 18 2014 at 05:53

Tom Ozric wrote:

^ Oh dear

....I love Pros And Cons for years....... Thanks Kati. Gotta go, up at Sparrows Fart for slavery tomorrow morn...... It's just about 10pm here and I need my 'beast sleep'.........

natti natti and big hug to you Tom

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Posted: November 18 2014 at 05:56

^ You rock !!
Nighty night

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Posted: November 18 2014 at 06:19

Tom Ozric wrote:

This wall stuff was called years before Owsley when Spector did The Beatles.....
The Dead just developed the idea to the extreme..........
........and Lesh is a superb Bassist..........

Actually, Spector Sound was a production "formula" for recordings, while Stanley's Wall of Sound was developed for live gigs of the Grateful Dead, and later used by e.g. Pink Floyd.

Edited by Svetonio - November 18 2014 at 06:23

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Posted: November 18 2014 at 10:35

Svetonio wrote:

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Actually, Spector Sound was a production "formula" for recordings, while Stanley's Wall of Sound was developed for live gigs of the Grateful Dead, and later used by e.g. Pink Floyd.

PF did not use the "Wall of Sound" ... when I saw them in 1972 and 1974. They used a special setup they called "Quadraphonic Sound" ... which was all around you, not in front on the stage!!!!!

It was the same later for "The Wall" at the Sports Arena and a couple of years later at Anaheim Stadium, though by that time they had more equipment to show for it, but it was not a wall of sound, as the GF usually had.

Nowadays with the quality of the speakers and digital sound, a lot of this is hidden and buried, and I mentioned it in "The Wall" review with Roger recently, which, to my ears, lost some of its beauty because the sound only went left to right and then right to left, when before it went all around you, and the effect was far better and stronger.

I guess that "meaning" is no longer an important feature in music these days! Or discussions, for that matter!

Edited by moshkito - November 18 2014 at 10:40

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Posted: November 18 2014 at 10:44

Kati wrote:

Pink Floyd is not PF without Roger Waters nor it would be without Gilmour xxxxx

Some people believe Floyd is not Floyd without Syd Barrett.

Btw, did you know "Comfortably Numb" was originally written for Gilmour's first solo album?

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Posted: November 18 2014 at 10:49

verslibre wrote:

Kati wrote:

Pink Floyd is not PF without Roger Waters nor it would be without Gilmour xxxxx

Some people believe Floyd is not Floyd without Syd Barrett.

Btw, did you know "Comfortably Numb" was originally written for Gilmour's first solo album?

Not according to the Roger Waters interview on KMET (or KLOS -- not sure right now!) with Jim Ladd at the time! .... that I have the tape of! He goes over the whole album! Earlier I also heard his whole discussion on the "Radio Kaos" thing also done by Jim Ladd.

The likelihood, or possibility, is that this riff was around before with nothing attached to it, and they found a really good "trip" to attach it to!

Edited by moshkito - November 18 2014 at 10:53

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Posted: November 18 2014 at 11:11

moshkito wrote:

verslibre wrote:

Kati wrote:

Pink Floyd is not PF without Roger Waters nor it would be without Gilmour xxxxx

Some people believe Floyd is not Floyd without Syd Barrett.

Btw, did you know "Comfortably Numb" was originally written for Gilmour's first solo album?

The likelihood, or possibility, is that this riff was around before with nothing attached to it, and they found a really good "trip" to attach it to!

"According to Waters..." I can only imagine.

Yes, it was still primarily an instrumental when it got patched over but that's what makes the song for me. The lyric/vocal portion is cool, but the instrumentation is the album's plateau and the guitar solo is one of Gilmour's best, and Waters had nothing to do with that. And it would have ended up on Gilmour's eponymous solo album, which further downplays Waters' status as an instrumentalist. Dave recorded a lot of PF's basslines. I know, this is heresy to the ears of Waters' fans, but hey, I calls 'em as I see/hear 'em.

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Posted: November 18 2014 at 11:16

I do not what to say here above to be honest. this seems fruitless. The Wall and Animals is Waters and wow pros and cons of hitchhiking plus amused to death, these, two of my overall best albums to date!