Does Iron Maiden really belong in only 'related'? |
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micky
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Posted: October 28 2014 at 16:30 | ||
not just that Pat but also the interesting and varied fans the site draws in of those groups or musical styles the site highlites but are not considered 'prog rock' but definitely fall under the larger progressive rock umbrella, or if one was to include RIO or the electronic stuff... the even larger progressive MUSIC umbrella which the site covers well. that is why my butt still burns to see the whole 'it is not prog' thing tossed about. Outside of the sympho-maniacs one could argue that bucket just doesn't hold any water. Well then anything outiside of symph, RPI, and (perhaps haha) f**king Neo is not prog either. |
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Raff
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Posted: October 28 2014 at 16:51 | ||
I will add something to what my other half has already admirably stated: the best new prog bands are very different to whatever stereotype of "classic" prog still survives, on this site or elsewhere. In fact, many of them would not even be called prog according to the "old" criteria. True, there are more than enough bands or artists that churn out well-executed, yet hopelessly derivative stuff for those fans who seem to be stuck in a time warp. However, the stuff that tends NOT to fly under my radar is very much of the "crossover" quality.
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micky
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Posted: October 28 2014 at 17:02 | ||
I remember well that interesting discussion we (believe it was Brian and me) had here, it was the one time I ducked back into PA's after we retired, when Nearfest crashed and Farfest burned up on the runway...(the year, 2012, that 'Prog' officially died btw) many bands realize in order to survive and prosper you simply can't churn out the same bullsh*t 70's derivative stuff.. ie Prog Rock...it has been done.. and done FAR FAR better already. Sure we get submissions and bands play that.. good luck finding an audience for it.. the gen pop don't care, and many prog fans don't even care since you are not a NAME group.
Prog fan is a dying breed and has proved by the lack of support to other groups to not give a goddamn about music outside of their nostalgia zone, however there exists a much larger underground movement, which we have been involved with, that supports and encourages progressive music artists and that is where the direction of the music is going and yes... much of it lies in the crossover vein. Others like the brilliant guys (and lady!) from Moraine have tapped into Chinese folk and classical music as an influence and the result are mindblowing. |
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Catcher10
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Posted: October 28 2014 at 17:22 | ||
I enjoy a lot bands like Haken, Echolyn and the recent Anathema efforts....but I personally struggle calling it prog and even trying to describe the music to someone else, I find myself using words like alternative, ambient rock....I will have to also use crossover going forward. Just the other day someone on another website asked me if I had bought the new prog album by Flying Colors...In the classic vein I don't think it is prog at all. Today's world I think it is more alternative rock with a dash of traditional hard rock. But that is just me......
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aapatsos
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Posted: October 28 2014 at 18:02 | ||
Tells you how little difference I find between keyboards and guitar synths... same result to my ears! Wiki says otherwise but would not take it for granted: Stylistically, Seventh Son of a Seventh Son developed the sounds first heard on Somewhere in Time, although, on this occasion, the synth effects were created by keyboards rather than bass or guitar synthesisers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_Son_of_a_Seventh_Son#Personnel Edited by aapatsos - October 28 2014 at 18:09 |
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richardh
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 28270 |
Posted: October 29 2014 at 02:32 | ||
not very helpfully the sleevenotes say Adrian Smith - Synth Steve Harris - String Synth What is a string synth?! I would take 'Synth' as being of the keyboard variety therefore I think Wiki is right and I am wrong. Damn!
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aapatsos
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Posted: October 30 2014 at 14:45 | ||
richardh
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Posted: October 30 2014 at 17:24 | ||
Good interview
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Fearabsentia
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Posted: October 30 2014 at 17:28 | ||
Sorry, I thought you were serious
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SteveG
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Posted: October 30 2014 at 18:04 | ||
Iron Maiden is metal devoid of blues! They only deserve to be 'related'!
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micky
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Posted: October 30 2014 at 18:15 | ||
hah. The only keeping Iron Maiden from Prog Metal is the great songwriting and emphasis on tasteful playing.
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SteveG
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Posted: October 30 2014 at 18:17 | ||
^And they can play well too!
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Kati
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Posted: October 30 2014 at 22:37 | ||
Unitron, I think Iron Maiden (to me) is not prog. But what do I know, I seriously don't know much really. hugs
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King Crimson776
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Posted: November 10 2014 at 05:02 | ||
They don't even belong there.
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Yogaprogyoda
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Posted: November 11 2014 at 09:07 | ||
No, they're only progressive metal in rare moments. The main thread of their material, all their material, is intelligent, epic, theatrical heavy metal…but only a few truly prog moments. But then that's so subjective isn't it? The proggiest they get is stuff like "Strange World," "Prodigal Son," "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" and "Seventh Son of a Seventh Son." Steve Harris does, of course, receive bonus points for wearing a Genesis denim jacket when he was a kid, and for the good taste to cover bands such as Jethro Tull and Nektar. So yes, definitely related to our beloved prog!
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Kati
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Posted: September 14 2015 at 07:09 | ||
I see no resemblance between IM and DT, Smurph Instrumentally especially not nor Jimmy the Cheese I love him but I always cringe while knowing what's coming lol
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Windhawk
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Posted: September 14 2015 at 08:00 | ||
I suspect DT might see matters differently though ;-) |
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Dean
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Posted: September 14 2015 at 08:11 | ||
On a "related" note:
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What?
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Windhawk
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Posted: September 14 2015 at 08:14 | ||
...also on a related note...
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: September 14 2015 at 08:16 | ||
Related? Perhaps.
I always wondered how Caravan's Nine Feet Underground would sound like in Maiden's hands.
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