The Most Influential

Miles Davis, by miles. How can anybody argue otherwise?

rogerthat wrote: And exactly how many clones of KC are there, out there?  Or of Rush?  There are bands that derive a lot of their elements from these two but most of them have proceeded to interpret such influence in their own way rather than outright imitation.  So are you saying that spawning clones is the only kind of influence that counts?  If that is the case, it is not surprising that you would get tired of such discussions because you want to frame the understanding of influence only under your own terms and don't want to concede room for a different view.  And as for seeing what one wants to see, I think if you cannot hear Mother in the opening verse of Silent Lucidity, then it is you who first need to heed your own advice.

I knew this was coming as I said that I've been at this for a while.

Edited by SteveG - October 25 2014 at 11:17

i think Moody Blues and Procol Harum influence is more prescent in Supertramps sound then Floyd, though it is there, and Gone Hollywood and theatrisme, is not solaly Floyds invention in rock, many bands had that.

Edited by Icarium - October 25 2014 at 08:33

And I would say the fact that Gone Hollywood may not instantly sound like a Floyd-clone song is simply down to Supertramp's originality.  Likewise in the case of Kate Bush.  They were extremely creative songwriters in their own right, unlike the vast swathes of retro prog bands who only want to faithfully imitate the 70s bands. So obviously they wanted to make their own voice heard, rising above their influences.

Quite obviously DSOTM will have made an impression on many artists. Steve Wilson is someone else that could be mentioned. The problem for me is that Floyd were very good at combining a lot of common elements rather than creating amazingly original music imo. I like them but they were never as interesting as other prog bands of the time. So Supertramp have been influenced by Floyd but how would you ever know? What Supertramp song screams ''Floyd'' or for that matter any of those other artists listed. Perhaps we can just list anyone that's heard DSOTM which is everyone!

Edited by richardh - October 25 2014 at 02:44

And exactly how many clones of KC are there, out there?  Or of Rush?  There are bands that derive a lot of their elements from these two but most of them have proceeded to interpret such influence in their own way rather than outright imitation. 
So are you saying that spawning clones is the only kind of influence that counts?  If that is the case, it is not surprising that you would get tired of such discussions because you want to frame the understanding of influence only under your own terms and don't want to concede room for a different view.  And as for seeing what one wants to see, I think if you cannot hear Mother in the opening verse of Silent Lucidity, then it is you who first need to heed your own advice.

Jimi, of course.

micky wrote: I'll be around, unless I buy it of course or Raff finally gets tired of my bullsh*t and sticks with that knife she always threatens me with (gotta love Italians!) haha, but the organizers are very good about putting out the information. It has been the Columbus Day weekend the last two years and am quite sure it will be again next year.

^^^  So when you hear the riffs of Slayer's Black Magic, do you say Sabbath-like or just Iommi-like?  Come on, it makes no sense to compartmentalise it like that when Gilmour was one of the important members of the band and as the guitarist and one of its lead singers, a defining component of their sound and style.  Actually I did provide examples of so called musical flashbacks, even naming specific tracks, if you cared at all to read.  But be that as it may, you cannot separate Gilmour's influence as a guitarist from that of Floyd because he found his own voice with Floyd in the first place.  Had he already been a star in his right and walked in for a few albums to make a mark, it would be a different issue.  But Gilmour was as much Floyd as Waters, Wright or Mason.  That the name Gilmour rather than Floyd comes to your mind is only a mark of his popularity.  But his popularity, clearly, was only attained as a part of a larger outfit.  Outside of it, he wasn't nearly as influential.  

Influence... I'd say KC have more influence on artists (Indukti, Masfel spring to my mind but there are many more). Floyd influenced artists (to the point of near copying (Mostly Autumn and another whose name I forget but tried reconstituting Echoes slavishly) and of course, the the tribute bands), slightly more appropriately there is The Orb. The Beatles have their influence as well for song writing detail and laying the groundwork for ELO to complete but in their own way.

I do like it when influence has had it's impression but artists such as Riverside take things to a more original level. Something many bands find hard with a Zeppelin influence - it's either Zeppelin-ish or not. Led Zep cornered their market while The Beatles opened theirs up...

P.S. Re the P Tree thing - it's based around Sky Moves Sideways. He said as PF were no longer doing albums like that (WYWH) he would. And did. And, apparently, regretted it. Perhaps their might be an artistic parallel between Sunday Of Life and Piper; mainly based on unique songs based around lyricists whose impact with either band was limited to each others' early days only.