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rogerthat
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Posted: October 22 2014 at 11:21 | |||
Moving to more crossover bands, Supertramp are undeniably influenced by Floyd. Yes, they are also influenced by other great rock bands but that's not the point. Floyd are to rock as Miles standards are to jazz, they are all over the place, creeping into the output of many bands one way or the other. Queensryche's Silent Lucidity is a definite Floyd-inspired case. Especially the "Hush now don't you cry" verse evokes Mother. In the case of bands not listed on PA, Tears for Fears were surely influenced by Floyd. I could literally go on and on. And this is only with respect to their more popular Gilmour/Waters 70s epoch. Piper..and Saucerful...are also immensely influential albums, especially so on the Krautrock sub genre of prog. Doors was also great source material but I would be surprised if Floyd weren't a source. Ah, remembered one more. What about Eloy's Ocean album? When I heard it last, which is so long ago that I can no longer recall vividly, I found it almost too Floyd-like to persist.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: October 22 2014 at 11:28 | |||
^Nice post.
It also very eloquently, perhaps unintentionally, describes the difference between 'influence' and 'copycatting' - the latter often mistaken for the former. It is possible for a band to have Floyd influences without ever sounding like Floyd.
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rogerthat
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Posted: October 22 2014 at 11:30 | |||
Couldn't agree more.
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SteveG
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Posted: October 22 2014 at 11:38 | |||
^Nice post, I agree. But I have worked with many guitarists over the years who owe at least part of their style and tone to Gilmour and their band's share none of Floyds attributes. Case in point, Dream Theater. Petrucci can also copy styles and tones from guitarists as diverse as Brian May and actually has done a May copy on the Six Degrees album. Now, does Dream Theater sound like Queen because Petrucci can imitate Brian May?
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Horizons
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Posted: October 22 2014 at 12:54 | |||
That band is hilarious for how obvious they want to sound like PF. Cringe-worthy.
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richardh
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Posted: October 22 2014 at 15:11 | |||
Coincidentally I just happened to listen to some Astra this morning and noticed a strong KC influence which hadn't occurred to me previously.Thing is I don't always recognise it and KC is perhaps a little harder to pick up on I suppose.
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richardh
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Posted: October 22 2014 at 15:13 | |||
Eloy were indeed very Floydian sounding right through to Planets and Time To Turn. Much better drums and bass though
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SteveG
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Posted: October 22 2014 at 15:34 | |||
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micky
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Posted: October 22 2014 at 18:14 | |||
He's been there the last two years, and absolute sweetheart of a man and an amazing talent. I'm sure he'll be back next year. If you can make it, look for me (the strangely out place 'beast' hanging with a ravishing Italian beauty) and I'll buy first round and by the time we're finished we'll serenade Necromonkey with calls for an ELP encore hahah |
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Rick Robson
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Posted: October 22 2014 at 18:59 | |||
Thank you again micky, and for sure it would be a great pleasure to meet you, I'll be there! Oh yeah, I will be there!
P.S.: Necromonkey - don't know this song, I will have to improvise hahahah... Edited by Rick Robson - October 22 2014 at 19:01 |
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micky
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Posted: October 22 2014 at 19:11 | |||
awesome!! Keep an eye out for tickets and reserve the hotel early, I suspect next year will near a full house. Everyone (bands and people like us from out of town) stays at the same hotel so that is a a nice social aspect but it is close to NYC and the freeway so can book up quickly. As far as Necromonkey. A band. Awesome stuff man. Let me plug my wife again. She loves that!! http://progmistress.com/2014/05/07/necromonkey-a-glimpse-of-possible-endings-2014/ You'll love them. We saw them at Progday, close enough it seemed to reach out and touch them as they played. Very intimate setting and the NJ Proghouse is perhaps even moreso. Plus it is a good excuse to meet Mathias if you have not. Especially if one isn't particularly shy. Or even if, as I am in real life. Another really sweet and approachable person to shoot the bull with. It is amazing and great to see how genuinely nice and approachable these musicians are. Raff and I have actually become quite close to a number we first met online then cemented in face to face. |
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Rick Robson
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Posted: October 22 2014 at 19:40 | |||
It would be awesome indeed! I'm already fancing just one year earlier... well so I hope because of my 'holy' vacations next year, it would be fantastic!, btw it would be my very first time there, in NJ and NYC, really nice to know the details micky. Thanks for the link! I'll check their music out as soon as I can, glad to know that about Mathias, it speaks great for a musician and I think it should always be an inherent characteristic of the GREAT musicians. |
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micky
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Posted: October 22 2014 at 19:51 | |||
I'll be around, unless I buy it of course or Raff finally gets tired of my bullsh*t and sticks with that knife she always threatens me with (gotta love Italians!) haha, but the organizers are very good about putting out the information. It has been the Columbus Day weekend the last two years and am quite sure it will be again next year.
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rogerthat
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Posted: October 22 2014 at 21:11 | |||
Duh, Gilmour IS a vital part of Floyd. I don't get your logic. Whatever Gilmour did on his solo albums also flows from his work with Floyd, so they are not mutually exclusive. I haven't checked that May influence on Petrucci but I wouldn't rule out Queen as an influence on DT. DT have covered both Queen and Floyd, apart from DP, Rainbow, Iron Maiden. I think that is a good indication of whether or not those are among their influences. I wouldn't doubt that those bands influenced them. Surely, some of the greatest 70s rock bands influenced a modern metal band that carried on in the ambitious 70s vein of rock (as opposed to punk minimalism)?
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uduwudu
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Posted: October 23 2014 at 01:05 | |||
Influence... I'd say KC have more influence on artists (Indukti, Masfel spring to my mind but there are many more). Floyd influenced artists (to the point of near copying (Mostly Autumn and another whose name I forget but tried reconstituting Echoes slavishly) and of course, the the tribute bands), slightly more appropriately there is The Orb. The Beatles have their influence as well for song writing detail and laying the groundwork for ELO to complete but in their own way.
I do like it when influence has had it's impression but artists such as Riverside take things to a more original level. Something many bands find hard with a Zeppelin influence - it's either Zeppelin-ish or not. Led Zep cornered their market while The Beatles opened theirs up... P.S. Re the P Tree thing - it's based around Sky Moves Sideways. He said as PF were no longer doing albums like that (WYWH) he would. And did. And, apparently, regretted it. Perhaps their might be an artistic parallel between Sunday Of Life and Piper; mainly based on unique songs based around lyricists whose impact with either band was limited to each others' early days only. |
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SteveG
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Posted: October 23 2014 at 11:35 | |||
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rogerthat
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Posted: October 23 2014 at 11:44 | |||
^^^ So when you hear the riffs of Slayer's Black Magic, do you say Sabbath-like or just Iommi-like? Come on, it makes no sense to compartmentalise it like that when Gilmour was one of the important members of the band and as the guitarist and one of its lead singers, a defining component of their sound and style. Actually I did provide examples of so called musical flashbacks, even naming specific tracks, if you cared at all to read. But be that as it may, you cannot separate Gilmour's influence as a guitarist from that of Floyd because he found his own voice with Floyd in the first place. Had he already been a star in his right and walked in for a few albums to make a mark, it would be a different issue. But Gilmour was as much Floyd as Waters, Wright or Mason. That the name Gilmour rather than Floyd comes to your mind is only a mark of his popularity. But his popularity, clearly, was only attained as a part of a larger outfit. Outside of it, he wasn't nearly as influential.
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SteveG
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Posted: October 23 2014 at 11:52 | |||
^Negative. I will state again that there are many guitarists that I know who have obvious influences that does not reflect on their band's music. That's the whole point. Band's generally want to have their own originality. The exception to this was the Neo onslaught of the mid eighties and there are no Neo prog band's that I feel are worth the time of day except for Marillion who was able to transcend their Genesis cloning.
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Rick Robson
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Posted: October 23 2014 at 20:24 | |||
Mamma mia... hahah , I know pretty well what you are talking about, my mother is italian's daughter.
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rogerthat
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Posted: October 23 2014 at 21:46 | |||
Oh yes, each to his own and all that. Fine. What I don't get is just because Mr.Steve doesn't think so, one of the most influential bands in rock music did not influence more than a couple of bands? The band with some of the most iconic rock albums does not have enough originality for other bands to derive from it? You have to really make a stronger case than that to back up your statement before you clam up.
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