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Voted Floyd, but didn't notice that there was also Kraftwerk and Miles, who do beat even Floyd in terms of influence imo. I guess Coltrane and Brubeck aren't in the poll but I have noticed near-outright quotations from their tracks at times in prog compositions. Love Supreme is paraphrased in Squarer for Maud, for instance.
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Posted: October 21 2014 at 20:24 |
 octopus-4 wrote:
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Would love to say Henry Cow or Univers Zero 
As is open to all bands not just prog it has to be Kraftwerk. |
But at least Magma have had some influence... For the most influential I think it's question of making the count, but surely Genesis, Pink Floyd, Yes, King Crimson (today more than before), and don't forget Emerson Lake and Palmer, especially in Eastern Europe. The strange thing with Zappa is that he has surely influenced many artists, but very few proggers for what I know.
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When you invent your own genre then I guess you've had some influence. I'd go with a top 5 of Kraftwerk Miles Davis Pink Floyd Frank Zappa CAN
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Posted: October 21 2014 at 20:02 |
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How are Genesis winning this poll? It's about influence on other bands and artists - regardless of the prog tag. Most musicians, that aren't prog fans, have no clue about 70s Genesis, and while the stuff they dished out in the 80s was successful (and pretty damn good), I fail to see how influential it really was on subsequent generations of music makers.Kraftwerk and Miles were and still are vastly more influential on not just one scene but dozens, literally. The music world doesn't always stop at the prog gates - sometimes we tend to forget that in here amongst the Rush and Genesis fumes. |
Yep. This poll just confirms my belief that people on this site will vote Genesis on a poll regardless of the title. It's annoying to say the least.
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I wish. Perhaps she will soon come back. She was always the better, and definitely the kinder and better looking, of the two-headed monster we were.
It is wonderful to see you Scott. I hope all is has been well with you. There were a handful of PA's friends that we didn't keep up with as we made the FB jump. You were definitely one of them. Sorely missed. We both really enjoyed talking and shooting the sh*t with you.
btw. We celebrated 8 years together yesterday. All because of this goddamned site haha.
To emphasize my point on the last post. We went to the NJ Proghouse last weekend, and saw a bunch of neat bands. One (whose name escapes me as I was in the process of running up a nearly 200 dollar bar tab hahahha) who featured Tom Brislin on keyboards. Read the comments on that performance. It really didn't take off, it was basic neo-prog song based stuff that was good.. but.. things took off when Brislin was 'unleashed'. That my friends is what prog is about, it is what prog fans want and expect... to see keyboardists not sit back and chomp down chords but solo and show us what they can do. That is one of the main aspects of prog, the bringing forward of the keyboardist into the spotlight, and that my friends is exactly what ELP brought to Prog. That and the standard for ENSEMBLE virtuosity we expect from prog bands. Prog owes that to ELP. Save us the Genesis crap... the perfect cure for insomnia. That is definitely not what prog is about hahha
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Just wanted to take my hat off to your words about the most fantastic prog band I ever listened to: ELP! And thank you so much for one more great reference that I just happen to read here in the PA Forum: Tom Brislin! God Damned ! How I wish I was there at that NJ Proghouse !...
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^ Cool to see you around Micky
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Posted: October 21 2014 at 17:19 |
rushfan4 wrote:
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I wish. Perhaps she will soon come back. She was always the better, and definitely the kinder and better looking, of the two-headed monster we were. It is wonderful to see you Scott. I hope all is has been well with you. There were a handful of PA's friends that we didn't keep up with as we made the FB jump. You were definitely one of them. Sorely missed. We both really enjoyed talking and shooting the sh*t with you. btw. We celebrated 8 years together yesterday. All because of this goddamned site haha. To emphasize my point on the last post. We went to the NJ Proghouse last weekend, and saw a bunch of neat bands. One (whose name escapes me as I was in the process of running up a nearly 200 dollar bar tab hahahha) who featured Tom Brislin on keyboards. Read the comments on that performance. It really didn't take off, it was basic neo-prog song based stuff that was good.. but.. things took off when Brislin was 'unleashed'. That my friends is what prog is about, it is what prog fans want and expect... to see keyboardists not sit back and chomp down chords but solo and show us what they can do. That is one of the main aspects of prog, the bringing forward of the keyboardist into the spotlight, and that my friends is exactly what ELP brought to Prog. That and the standard for ENSEMBLE virtuosity we expect from prog bands. Prog owes that to ELP. Save us the Genesis crap... the perfect cure for insomnia. That is definitely not what prog is about hahha
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Posted: October 21 2014 at 16:43 |
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Whoa! I think that I've seen a Ghost (Rider).
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Posted: October 21 2014 at 16:22 |
every damn prog band that showcases keyboards as a lead instrument. However the OP subtly didn't make the poll most influential IN prog.. that is a ELP no brainer. You don't have to sound like a group to be influenced by it. That is the difference between amateur analysis and really understanding what was going on. ELP is far away the most influential group in prog. In terms of wider musicical influence as I read the OP's question. It is Floyd no doubt. As far as Genesis... hahaha. It is not a popularity vote. It is nice to see that things haven't changed here in all these years, the Genesis fans have never failed to mistake modern popularity for historical revelevance. There is a reason they are known as a pop group... not a prog group.
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Posted: October 21 2014 at 15:34 |
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Would love to say Henry Cow or Univers Zero
As is open to all bands not just prog it has to be Kraftwerk. |
But at least Magma have had some influence... For the most influential I think it's question of making the count, but surely Genesis, Pink Floyd, Yes, King Crimson (today more than before), and don't forget Emerson Lake and Palmer, especially in Eastern Europe. The strange thing with Zappa is that he has surely influenced many artists, but very few proggers for what I know.
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Posted: October 21 2014 at 14:38 |
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CLOUDS - Prog was a myriad of ideas that came together rather than any one source, but if any band could be said to be a major influence on prog itself, it would be 1-2-3 (Clouds)
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Posted: October 21 2014 at 13:52 |
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Some other bands strongly influenced by ELP are Latte e Miele, Triade and the latter period of The Trip.
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also Par Lindh Project (Sweden) and Mastermind (USA)
but apart from that what else have the Romans ever done for us 
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Posted: October 21 2014 at 13:46 |
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Some other bands strongly influenced by ELP are Latte e Miele, Triade and the latter period of The Trip.
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Posted: October 21 2014 at 12:51 |
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Maybe it's just me then. I do hear distinct ELP influences at play in both bands, although they never really sound like them, if you catch my drift. |
I always found Cranes keyboard work heavier,more built on menace, and less elaborate that Emerson's and given that he essential entered the music scene in 67 with The Crazy World Of Arthur Brown I'd find it surprising if he was influenced by The Nice. Maybe they just have some elements of play that are similar.
I've always thought of Elephant9 as more of a heavy jazz fusion power trio than a Classical & Rock influenced band like ELP but listening to Dodovoodoo again you may be right though it does sound a lot more fuzz keyboards than I'm used to with Emerson. Good spot.
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Posted: October 21 2014 at 11:47 |
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Maybe it's just me then. I do hear distinct ELP influences at play in both bands, although they never really sound like them, if you catch my drift.
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Posted: October 21 2014 at 11:45 |
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Alright, I see.
How about Atomic Rooster then? While still sporting their own sound, I still hear a lot of influence from Emerson in Vincent Crane's playing. |
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I thought of another one (as a matter of fact I'm listening to their newest right now), Elephant9 from Norway.
These guys sound like ELP on some terrifying drug. |
I like both bands a lot but I don't really hear any ELP in their stuff.
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Posted: October 21 2014 at 11:07 |
I think we must categorize this. A - In Progressive Rock : 1- Genesis 2- KC 3- Yes 4- Rush 5- Pink Floyd 6- ELP B - In Rock genre : Pink Floyd and Rush C - In Metal genre : Metallica and DT D - In General : Kraftwerk and Tangerine Dream and Metallica and Pink Floyd
I think most influential artist of Prog Rock is Genesis. You can see that very clear. If we zoom to quality of Prog bands that influenced by Genesis you can see bands like : Citizen Cain - Simon Says - 5 bridges - The Watch - Agents of Mercy - Flower Kings - Glass Hammer (not all albums of them ) - Transatlantic and more. Some of these bands can be influential for other bands like The Flower Kings. And there are too many "Genesis Clone" bands that I don't want to talk about them. I know ELP and KC and RUSH and Yes and PF and ... are influential in "Prog Rock" but I can't Ignore Genesis affect in this genre of music. Genesis is Icon of many of Symphonic and Neo Prog great bands.
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Posted: October 21 2014 at 11:03 |
I thought of another one (as a matter of fact I'm listening to their newest right now), Elephant9 from Norway. These guys sound like ELP on some terrifying drug. They're also normally a three piece band with organs, drums and bass. This new one called Atlantis does feature one of my favourite modern guitarist in Reine Fiske though, but the heart of their sound still remains largely unchanged.
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Posted: October 21 2014 at 09:33 |
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^Le Orme and Triumvirat instantly spring to mind.
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Fair enough, I'm not really aware of Le Orme but Triumvirat aren't allowed. My point was I can't think of many bands that mixed up classical music and rock in a 3 piece keyboards dominated format like ELP. |
Alright, I see. How about Atomic Rooster then? While still sporting their own sound, I still hear a lot of influence from Emerson in Vincent Crane's playing. (then again that's probably down to the period with The Nice more than ELP now that I think of it)
Also, Triumvirat aren't allowed?  
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Only because I'm quoting presdoug and I knew he'd mention them straight away (and I'm aware of their ELP influence)
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Posted: October 21 2014 at 09:20 |
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I think we're talking all of that. Influence on past, subsequent and modern acts. |
In that case I'll say equal parts KC, Genesis, and Floyd....they all have influenced a large number of bands over the years both past and present. I don't hear as much Yes influence in bands as those three.
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Posted: October 21 2014 at 09:08 |
chopper wrote:
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^Le Orme and Triumvirat instantly spring to mind.
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Fair enough, I'm not really aware of Le Orme but Triumvirat aren't allowed. My point was I can't think of many bands that mixed up classical music and rock in a 3 piece keyboards dominated format like ELP. |
Alright, I see. How about Atomic Rooster then? While still sporting their own sound, I still hear a lot of influence from Emerson in Vincent Crane's playing. (then again that's probably down to the period with The Nice more than ELP now that I think of it)
Also, Triumvirat aren't allowed?
Edited by Guldbamsen - October 21 2014 at 09:10
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