Sex=/=Prog: Yes? No? Good? Bad? Why?

Progosopher wrote: Nietzsche would reject any kind of popular movement having once written that popular opinion is always wrong.   ...

If you go to Tumblr you'll find that many of the prog fans there finds some sexy elements in this music genre...

HackettFan wrote: HackettFan wrote: Frank Zappa Colony of Slippermen - the slipperman costume itself - and really all of the lamb. Gong - Prostitute Poem What I'm saying is I don't think that there is any un-written rule as suggested in the OP. I do think that efforts to be more creative led to more open territory for lyrics. I agree with someone else that, if you're playing a fugue, you don't gyrate your butt a whole lot. But, then again, Hawkwind didn't need to. They had their very own naked dancing groupie.

SteveG wrote: ^I concide Frank Zappa to you HF. (Rats!)  "Gona stick it up your..."

SteveG wrote: Is Progressive Rock music actually nonsexual compared to other forms of rock music. if so, why do you think this unwritten rule exists? And does it matter to you if prog is nonsexual or not?

I agree that Prog is relatively less sexual than other forms of rock. But I don't think there's any unwritten rule that causes it. I think if there is a good idea that it fits into, then I don't expect that there's any unwritten rule that it needs to buck. But a problem exists incorporating sex into good non-stereotypical lyrical ideas (e.g. The Gong Trilogy, The Lamb), and we all know the little pecker's normally not terribly multi-dimensional. Zappa's off the standard line of descendancy in Prog, and he simply defied any unwritten rule he could find. Even in Zappa's case, however, the sexual references were couched within satire. The purpose was different from elsewhere in other forms of rock.

Sorry, It seems I added a post when I thought I was just editing, and I'm not able to delete. I'll correct this when I'm able.

Rick Robson wrote: SteveG wrote: "...Prog's obvious disassociations from main stream rock and the possible reasons why"   Could you describe them?  ...

The funny thing about the word obvious is that no one should have to point them out to you. Did a prog group ever concoct a song called "Let's spend the night together"?

^True Sventonio. I was listening to early Fairport last night and that was far from a sex fest but by the time I came to Leige and Lief, the trad. song Matty Groves was all sex and intrigue. Same for many trad. British songs covered by Pentangle. The Victorians really seemed to put the sex brakes on in England in the 1800's, whan a lot of these bawdy trad. songs were almost forgotten.

SteveG wrote: Rick Robson wrote: SteveG wrote: "...Prog's obvious disassociations from main stream rock and the possible reasons why"   Could you describe them?  ... The funny thing about the word obvious is that no one should have to point them out to you. Did a prog group ever concoct a song called "Let's spend the night together"?

First off, someone is letting their Firefox dictionary define how they spell and separate words in the posts they make. And then sometimes they're not paying attention at all to that silly, squiggly red line.

Second, why try to conjure unintended meaning and purpose at all, regardless of the genre? I mean, beyond what the manufacturer intended.

Third, Pain of Salvation and Steve Vai and Marvin Gaye explore sexuality in-depth.

SteveG wrote: ^True Sventonio. I was listening to early Fairport last night and that was far from a sex fest but by the time I came to Leige and Lief, the trad. song Matty Groves was all sex and intrigue. Same for many trad. British songs covered by Pentangle. The Victorians really seemed to put the sex brakes on in England in the 1800's, whan a lot of these bawdy trad. songs were almost forgotten.

Whether due to the Victorian heritage or not, it is obvious that the white artists' music contains much less of sexuality than the music of black artists.

Edited by Svetonio - October 16 2014 at 03:06

*frinspar* wrote: First off, someone is letting their Firefox dictionary define how they spell and separate words in the posts they make. And then sometimes they're not paying attention at all to that silly, squiggly red line. Second, why try to conjure unintended meaning and purpose at all, regardless of the genre? I mean, beyond what the manufacturer intended. Third, Pain of Salvation and Steve Vai and Marvin Gaye explore sexuality in-depth.

Why should being mute conjure unintended meaning?

That there is litttle overtly sexual lyrics in Prog is self evident.

The reason for such a question may help to establish why modern Prog is still no more than a cult phenomenon.

I think that's reason enough for the posted question.

Let me know if you have any others.


Edited by SteveG - October 16 2014 at 11:00