Rush: Heavy Prog or Prog Metal?

verslibre wrote: Logan wrote: As one fellow I knew might have once said about 2112, "That's some heavy sh*t, man, and I do mean, ah... heavy ... and, you know, rockin! " That reminds me of that old infomercial for a '60s protest music collection called Freedom Rock, with two hippies going "Is that Freedom Rock, man?!" "Yeahhh, man!" "Well...turn it UP!"

I remember that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eGWW8KOQio

Chris S wrote: ^Proto Prog Metal......??

I think PA could benefit from that category, but not before Proto Post-Rock, Proto Neo-Prog, and Proto Prog Related.

^ Oh yes, and it shall be known as jazz. 

Vangelis needs Proto New Age to escape the treachery that is Prog Related.

Logan wrote: verslibre wrote: Vangelis needs Proto New Age to escape the treachery that is Prog Related. It's in there: Progressive Electronic. ;)  I think he should be in Crossover.

Definitely Crossover. He could never be Progressive Electronic because his synths share space with drums, piano, bass, guitar, harp, etc.

Logan wrote: There are a number of acts in Progressive Electronic that incorporate lots of non-electronic music.  My favourite Vangelis albums are Hypothesis and The Dragon which are not electronic albums -- more jazz fusion/ Prog.  I also like his debut.  I happen to also like his albums Beauborg, Albedo (some number), and Spiral which would fit electronic.

As an avid electronic music listener since '85, I heartily concur. Unlike Tangerine Dream, where the sound is typically synths/samplers + electronic rhythms topped by electric guitar (except for the early records), Vangelis has alternately recorded stuff that's symphonic, experimental, and purely electronic (and his collab with Neuronium was awesome), but his approach has never been steadfastly nailed down. Hypothesis, L'Apocalypse L'Animaux, Albedo 0.39, Beauborg, Blade Runner and Direct all sound like they could have been recorded by five different personalities, with the exception of those few distinct stylistic aspects that give him away.

Catcher10 wrote: Kati wrote: rushfan4 wrote: Padraic wrote: Kati wrote: I am not a great fan of Rush to be honest,  Then you're dead to me. me too! Frankly speaking Padraic, I simply ignore what you said. I don’t judge people by their political choices, their beliefs being religions or not and certainly will not judge them by their musical preference. When someone doesn’t particularly like a band that I do, I try find out what they like and possibly find similar choices to suggest some of my favorite tracks of the band to them because maybe the songs they heard were not the band’s best work etc. this happens especially in prog because of the diverse range. I have been lucky to change some friend’s opinion when it came to TFK and Pain of Salvation for instance. I am very open to trying new albums and love discovering old bands that I never heard before in my life, those are real gems. I do not own any Rush albums, never seen a gig from them although given the opportunity I would because I know their concerts are a big event. My opinion will make no difference whatsoever to RUSH, it has no affect to their livelihood, they have a huge following, worked hard for it, made it into the hall of fame and deserve it too. Your closed comment to me is ok however does make my openness to the band even a more negative one. P.S. This goes for you too,Rushfan4 The core of your post is that your mind may be closed to what you have obviously convinced your friends to try out and be open with TFK and PoS....It matters to me nothing if you try to listen to Rush or not, and I doubt others too...but maybe try a dose of your own medicine. If you have then I recall this post.

Dreamcatcher great Peart profile pic btw and no not the same, if you read the whole thing I try to find similarities in terms of taste that others might like and suggest similar to the best I can in what friends might like, try to show a different side of a band. For instance, I am not a big fan of Flying Colour nor Neal Morse's Singing however I absolutely adore Spocks Beard and Transatlantic, I do not like recent Uriah Heep but adore David Byron and Ken Hensley era, bands who have released many albums tend to be very diverse and I don't easily give up when someone doesn't like a band that I truly believe is good, I give it my best shot to try convince them otherwise. Look at Genesis, they sound nothing like Gabriel era nor like right after that era even when Phil stopped playing drums and decided to be the singer, nothing compares new Genesis to any of that. It's all very relative I think. I just think I have not come across or convinced how astonishing Rush is maybe it might be due to lack of knowledge about them I admit but so far this is what I think. I know people's taste vary and thankfull for this too coz there is really horrid music out there and rush is absolutely not one of them (horrid as in pop) I am just saying that I have other preferences to listen and this is good too! I love Floyd and some Pink Floyd fans will only listen to Floyd not give another band a change atleast to listen to see if they like it and this is a shame because there is so much great moozik out there!

to all you Grumpies here, I am not sure who has a higher pitch, Geddy or the singer from Budgie (he sounds even like nancy Sinatra) however Budgie's song Parents is to me one of my ultimate favorite songs to date, I adore that song! Foxy above here is my new fav Grumpy btw   

Edited by Kati - September 27 2014 at 05:04

Kati wrote: Catcher10 wrote: Kati wrote: rushfan4 wrote: Padraic wrote: Kati wrote: I am not a great fan of Rush to be honest,  Then you're dead to me. me too! Frankly speaking Padraic, I simply ignore what you said. I don’t judge people by their political choices, their beliefs being religions or not and certainly will not judge them by their musical preference. When someone doesn’t particularly like a band that I do, I try find out what they like and possibly find similar choices to suggest some of my favorite tracks of the band to them because maybe the songs they heard were not the band’s best work etc. this happens especially in prog because of the diverse range. I have been lucky to change some friend’s opinion when it came to TFK and Pain of Salvation for instance. I am very open to trying new albums and love discovering old bands that I never heard before in my life, those are real gems. I do not own any Rush albums, never seen a gig from them although given the opportunity I would because I know their concerts are a big event. My opinion will make no difference whatsoever to RUSH, it has no affect to their livelihood, they have a huge following, worked hard for it, made it into the hall of fame and deserve it too. Your closed comment to me is ok however does make my openness to the band even a more negative one. P.S. This goes for you too,Rushfan4 The core of your post is that your mind may be closed to what you have obviously convinced your friends to try out and be open with TFK and PoS....It matters to me nothing if you try to listen to Rush or not, and I doubt others too...but maybe try a dose of your own medicine. If you have then I recall this post. Dreamcatcher great Peart profile pic btw and no not the same, if you read the whole thing I try to find similarities in terms of taste that others might like and suggest similar to the best I can in what friends might like, try to show a different side of a band. For instance, I am not a big fan of Flying Colour nor Neal Morse's Singing however I absolutely adore Spocks Beard and Transatlantic, I do not like recent Uriah Heep but adore David Byron and Ken Hensley era, bands who have released many albums tend to be very diverse and I don't easily give up when someone doesn't like a band that I truly believe is good, I give it my best shot to try convince them otherwise. Look at Genesis, they sound nothing like Gabriel era nor like right after that era even when Phil stopped playing drums and decided to be the singer, nothing compares new Genesis to any of that. It's all very relative I think. I just think I have not come across or convinced how astonishing Rush is maybe it might be due to lack of knowledge about them I admit but so far this is what I think. I know people's taste vary and thankfull for this too coz there is really horrid music out there and rush is absolutely not one of them (horrid as in pop) I am just saying that I have other preferences to listen and this is good too! I love Floyd and some Pink Floyd fans will only listen to Floyd not give another band a change atleast to listen to see if they like it and this is a shame because there is so much great moozik out there!

Sounds good to me. I never push anyone to listen to something I don't think they might like.

Atavachron wrote: SteveG wrote: Atavachron wrote: Bull.   Rush has never even flirted with heavy metal.   Judas Priest, Sabbath, Scorpions...  Rush ?   No I don't at all think so. When Working Man was first played on a small mid western radio station, listeners called to request that the station replay the "new Zeppelin song". And that's no bull. Just because Zep knocked the metal label and were more blues based, that doesn't mean that they didn't play any. Of course, because the Rush debut is unmistakably Zep-influenced, but Rush's attempts at emulating the heavy rock sound was half-assed at best.   And they never played metal at all (or even 'Good Times Bad Times' -styled heavy rock).   'Working Man' is about as far from heavy metal as 'Taxman' is.   It wasn't until they began to foster their own sound that they became a real band.

I don't like posting from I Phones, hard enough for me with a PC, but I will.

Metal is also characterized, aside from the obvious power chords, riffs and riffing, by it's songs emphatic rhythms and deliberate stresses. Also prominent is the interplay between bass and guitar (and who does this better than Rush?)with Geddy's bass lines holding down the critical pedal point. I think Peart's drumming speaks for itself, but his obvious use of cymble checking is also a clue.

To, me 2112 is not a progressive metal album because it's metal music played with keyboards and a concept thrown in. It's Progressive metal because it's metal music played progressively.

If you don't see my points at this stage, it's probably a good time to agree to disagree.

Now, I'm off to hear some newly uncovered recordings by Blind Willie Mctell and Pink Anderson. Now that's really heavy s@%#!

Edited by SteveG - September 27 2014 at 12:43