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Mirror Image 
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 Posted: July 09 2014 at 09:33 |
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Not enjoying dissonance and unexpected notes is fair enough. Some of the German singing and phrasing brings a smile to my face, it's part of the atmosphere for me, Eloy's voice of the god on Ocean intoning "primary procreation is accomplished".  |
I like dissonance as long as it has a purpose, and most importantly, a resolution within a piece of music. The music of Eloy itself is decent but the vocals just don't seem well done and out-of-place IMHO. I suppose some people find them charming and appropriate, I find them distracting.
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Mirror Image
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Posted: July 09 2014 at 09:36 |
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Magma (horrible, horrible band)
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Wow  I know they aren't for everyone, but this is really harsh, man. |
Yeah, I suppose it was a bit harsh, but, come on, I know you've read much worse on this forum.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: July 09 2014 at 09:47 |
Mirror Image wrote:
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^ Yeah, ...
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-Robert Wyatt in general does nothing for me (Rock Bottom has to be one of the most overrated prog rock albums of all-time) |
... that's a lot of hatred without any serious critical assessment. There's a fine line between "overrated" (which is a term that makes sense only when taken objectively) and "not for me". A lot of us like melodies, uneasy atmospheres, and distorted synthesizers, you don't, and that's the deal. No "over-rated" here. |
Melodies, uneasy atmospheres, and distorted synthesizers...I guess you're forgetting I'm a huge Floyd fan.  BTW, where in my post about Wyatt's Rock Bottom did I say I 'hated it'. I just said it was overrated. I really don't like it when people put words into my mouth. |
"Overrated", "horrible" - those are not giveaways?
Edited by Dayvenkirq - July 09 2014 at 09:47
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Posted: July 09 2014 at 09:50 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ Yeah, ...
Mirror Image wrote:
-Robert Wyatt in general does nothing for me (Rock Bottom has to be one of the most overrated prog rock albums of all-time) |
... that's a lot of hatred without any serious critical assessment. There's a fine line between "overrated" (which is a term that makes sense only when taken objectively) and "not for me". A lot of us like melodies, uneasy atmospheres, and distorted synthesizers, you don't, and that's the deal. No "over-rated" here.
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I'm glad that I am not the only one on this album. It was an album that I purchased based on such high praisings on here of how great it is and with my handful of listens I just don't see it. I kind of consider it to be near the Rock Bottom of my music collection.
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Mirror Image
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Posted: July 09 2014 at 09:51 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Mirror Image wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ Yeah, ...
Mirror Image wrote:
-Robert Wyatt in general does nothing for me (Rock Bottom has to be one of the most overrated prog rock albums of all-time) |
... that's a lot of hatred without any serious critical assessment. There's a fine line between "overrated" (which is a term that makes sense only when taken objectively) and "not for me". A lot of us like melodies, uneasy atmospheres, and distorted synthesizers, you don't, and that's the deal. No "over-rated" here. |
Melodies, uneasy atmospheres, and distorted synthesizers...I guess you're forgetting I'm a huge Floyd fan. BTW, where in my post about Wyatt's Rock Bottom did I say I 'hated it'. I just said it was overrated. I really don't like it when people put words into my mouth. |
"Overrated", "horrible" - those are not giveaways?
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Where did I say the word 'horrible'? Where? I don't care for Wyatt nor do I think Rock Bottom is brilliant. Can we move along now? It's pretty ridiculous that I'm even arguing with someone over music I dislike. Seems rather pointless, don't you think? It's like arguing over what do you prefer 'vanilla or chocolate'. Some people adamantly love vanilla, some people love chocolate, and some even love both. It's just a preference. That's all.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: July 09 2014 at 09:55 |
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^ "Horrible" - not about Wyatt, about Magma. And it's never ridiculous, nor is it pointless (but I guess you could call curiosity about love/hate relationship pointless) to discuss music you dislike unless someone is overreacting. People do this here often, if only for a little while.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - July 09 2014 at 09:57
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Posted: July 09 2014 at 10:05 |
Mirror Image wrote:
I 'don't get' and all IMHO -
-Any Soft Machine album -Most Canterbury bands (esp. Caravan, Matching Mole, National Health) -Robert Wyatt in general does nothing for me (Rock Bottom has to be one of the most overrated prog rock albums of all-time) -Most Neo-Progressive bands with the exception of Marillion and IQ -Magma (horrible, horrible band) -The whole RIO movement (noise pollution to my ears) -Roxy Music -Hawkwind -Eloy (such hideous vocals that butcher the English language) -Steve Hillage -Gong -Steven Wilson in general, although I do like some of Porcupine Tree albums -I can tolerate some progressive metal like Fates Warning and Dream Theater, but, in general this genre leaves me cold
I have a love/hate relationship with Gentle Giant and I'm starting to come around to Jethro Tull. I LOVE A Passion Play!
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We are on the same page on much of this comment. I like the Canterbury bands and Soft Machine, but don't find them to be anything special. I already commented on Rock Bottom. I like much in the Neo Prog category, so there we disagree, but que sera sera. I'm not a big fan or either Magma or the RIO movement. I wouldn't go so far to say that they are horrible or noise pollution, but I don't really get their appeal either. I like Roxy Music and Hawkwind, but neither as much as others or as I probably should. I do like Eloy alot, but I can see how the vocals could cause issues. I'm not familiar with Steve Hillage, but I find Gong's lyrics to be juvenille and distracting, although I would like to get into them more and a song like Master Builder is really really good. I really like latter day PTree and the Raven from Steve Wilson. Early day PTree and his first two solo albums are good, but not really to my tastes. I am a big fan of Progressive Metal, but not as much when it comes to extreme and technical metal involving growling and shrieking. With Jethro Tull I've always been more hits oriented with their music. Can't say that they have any albums that I am a huge fan of. I do like Gentle Giant, but they are a relatively new band to me so they don't have the historical/sentimental feel that they have for many other forum members.
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Posted: July 09 2014 at 11:18 |
I thought this thread was about album you could like or should like?
Meaning there are things you typically look out for in their music but for some reason they don't click. If you find a band awful in all points then i guess it's shouldn't be on a list titled "An Album I Should Like, But Don't"
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Posted: July 09 2014 at 11:28 |
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^ Exactly.
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Blacksword
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Posted: July 09 2014 at 11:31 |
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Frances the Mute - TMV: When TMV are good they are very good, but when tey f**k around with noise it leaves me cold. I've never listened to that album all the way through in one sitting. It's like being subjected to Vogon poetry.
WYWH - Pink Floyd: Some absolute classic tunes, but as an overall package nowhere near as good as DSOTM or Animals IMO.
In the land of pink and grey - Caravan: Sorry, just don't get it.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Posted: July 09 2014 at 11:52 |
This seems like another 'albums you think are overrated thread'....
Tales From Topographic Oceans- imho the least best thing Yes did in their so-called classic years.
Lamb Lies Down- Again my least favorite classic Genesis album....just not that great imo.
Passion Play- never understood all the high ratings for this one...and I'm a Tull fan btw.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: July 09 2014 at 12:11 |
dr wu23 wrote:
This seems like another 'albums you think are overrated thread'.... |
Close, but not quite there.
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dr wu23
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Posted: July 09 2014 at 12:48 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
This seems like another 'albums you think are overrated thread'.... |
Close, but not quite there. |
The OP post:
"Does anyone else have this, where a highly rated album by a band you really like ends up being bad? Some of mine:"
Hmmm...sure sounds like a case of ratings to me.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: July 09 2014 at 12:52 |
dr wu23 wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
This seems like another 'albums you think are overrated thread'.... |
Close, but not quite there. |
The OP post:"Does anyone else have this, where a highly rated album by a band you really like ends up being bad? Some of mine:" Hmmm...sure sounds like a case of ratings to me. |
I was reading the thread title. "... ends up being bad" to me suggests "so bad * ... it shouldn't even be liked, and yet it is", which contradicts the concept suggested by the title.
Maybe I'm just crazy, playing word games with myself. 
* which has always been a word of objectivity to me.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - July 09 2014 at 12:55
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Posted: July 09 2014 at 13:02 |
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I love Gentle Giant, but don't love In A Glass House, which, by all rhyme and reason, I should. I love the four albums that came before it and the three that came after.
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Posted: July 09 2014 at 13:48 |
2dogs wrote:
Not enjoying dissonance and unexpected notes is fair enough. Some of the German singing and phrasing brings a smile to my face, it's part of the atmosphere for me, Eloy's voice of the god on Ocean intoning "primary procreation is accomplished". |
I tend to think only a German band could do this. They are so cheesy its ridiculous but then they have no sense of being self conscious about it. Gotta love em 
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Posted: July 09 2014 at 15:14 |
All three of these bands have discographies that I love, with well-liked albums that rub me the wrong way for reasons I can't figure out
Kayo Dot - dowsing anemone with copper tongue - I think the repetitiveness is just taken too far, in a way that is too uncomfortable, and I have to turn it off
King Crimson - Lizard - I literally have no idea why lizard turns me off so much... makes no sense to me
Can -Tago Mago (2nd LP only) - I love Can so I dont know why the 2nd LP makes me feel so agitated that I can't finish it
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Posted: July 09 2014 at 15:15 |
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Albums I don't like/get = virtually anything by Nektar. (Gasp!)
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Posted: July 09 2014 at 15:35 |
Third Hosianna Mantra
All I can think of right now.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: July 09 2014 at 17:29 |
^ Sorry to hear that.  My top 40 albums.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - July 09 2014 at 17:29
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