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Anyone else followed the case of the mysterious black ring over Leamington Spa which turned out to be a leftover smoke ring from fireworks?
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

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If the lights are actually the reflections of the deer's eyes, the distance between the lights would have to be less; a deer do not have eyes like an owl. Btw, the company could have a hell of reasons for such birdbrained "explanation".


Yes they do in so far as the reflection of light viewed in the camera is concerned. Many animals have a tapetum lucidum as an ocular layer. Those which are diurnal typically do not express this, such as humans. Animals like deer and owls do.

It's a great example of convergent evolution.
I (now) suspect he may have been referring to monocular vision (deer) vs binocular vision (owl) but his comment about the distance between the lights threw me. Still don't follow what he's getting at though.



Yeah. I have a hard time seeing how that, or really anything, would relate to his dismissal.
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:


If the lights are actually the reflections of the deer's eyes, the distance between the lights would have to be less; a deer do not have eyes like an owl. Btw, the company could have a hell of reasons for such birdbrained "explanation".


Yes they do in so far as the reflection of light viewed in the camera is concerned. Many animals have a tapetum lucidum as an ocular layer. Those which are diurnal typically do not express this, such as humans. Animals like deer and owls do.

It's a great example of convergent evolution.
I (now) suspect he may have been referring to monocular vision (deer) vs binocular vision (owl) but his comment about the distance between the lights threw me. Still don't follow what he's getting at though.
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Yep it is near the date of the famous Roswell incident.

RAAF Captures Flying Saucer
On Ranch in Roswell Region

Roswell Daily Record, Tuesday, July 8, 1947.




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^Maybe, if throughout the space out of our planet there were some possible detecting effects of the two atomic bombs of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945

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^ the last two digits of the date are showing and it says "47" - I'd take a wild stab at it 1947

From the temperatures in the weather report I'd say it was early summer - probably July.

The article also mentions the "Age-Herald city room", a quick check on Wiki says the Birmingham Age-Herald was owned by the publisher of the Birmingham News, with the former being a morning paper and the later an evening paper. 

So it is most probably the Birmingham News from the evening of 7th (or 8th) July 1947.

Is this date significant in any way?
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Must be a paper from Birmingham Alabama  based on the local weather report in the upper right corner.
5cents for the paper...must have been in the early 50's....?
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Someone knows the name of this newspaper?
 


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Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Like I say, things like this are most of the time either well-known phenomena that have been misidentified or outright hoaxes. The unknown explanations most likely to turn up, as opposed to alien spacecraft, are secret gov't/military equipment or poorly understood natural phenomena.

One UFO theory I'm fascinated by is that some of them could be a hitherto-unknown type of lifeforms indigenous to the planet's atmosphere. It's covered more in the book Mysterious Fires and Lights by Vincent Gaddis which I can recommend, even though I didn't find the theory that convincing there either.... mostly because there isn't much in the way physical evidence.

It isn't as much of a cliché as the alien visitation, I'll give it that at least.
Enjoyed the Fortean link and Constable was one of those who proposed this 'atmospheric lifeform' theory many years ago, but as you pointed out there isn't any good evidence of these creatures existing.
The camera reflection optical thing related to the deer eyes  is most likely the right explanation but hell I don't even fully understand that.  I'm an Optometrist and I have forgotten most of that optical science (college was over 35 years ago) since  I don't use it at the office these days regarding patients.
 
Alien visitation has certainly become a cliché and if a real alien ever lands it will probably be dismissed as either a hoax or an optical illusion.
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

It's amazing how strong of opinions people with no training in optics have in this thread.


Well, that's your brain on Hawkwind.
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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:


If the lights are actually the reflections of the deer's eyes, the distance between the lights would have to be less; a deer do not have eyes like an owl. Btw, the company could have a hell of reasons for such birdbrained "explanation".


Yes they do in so far as the reflection of light viewed in the camera is concerned. Many animals have a tapetum lucidum as an ocular layer. Those which are diurnal typically do not express this, such as humans. Animals like deer and owls do.

It's a great example of convergent evolution.


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It's amazing how strong of opinions people with no training in optics have in this thread.
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Like I say, things like this are most of the time either well-known phenomena that have been misidentified or outright hoaxes. The unknown explanations most likely to turn up, as opposed to alien spacecraft, are secret gov't/military equipment or poorly understood natural phenomena.

One UFO theory I'm fascinated by is that some of them could be a hitherto-unknown type of lifeforms indigenous to the planet's atmosphere. It's covered more in the book Mysterious Fires and Lights by Vincent Gaddis which I can recommend, even though I didn't find the theory that convincing there either.... mostly because there isn't much in the way physical evidence.

It isn't as much of a cliché as the alien visitation, I'll give it that at least.


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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

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Experts Explain Deer-Cam UFO

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By Alan Boyle

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LOLWAT. How smart do you have to be to think the explanation given by the manufacturer of the camera is stupid?


You seem pretty confident that it isn't vehicle headlights and you seem to find the technical explanation that it is an optical effect of the camera lens laughable.  

So what's your explanation Einstein? Do you think it might be aliens or inter-dimensional beings or spirits of the dead or anything untoward?

If the lights are actually the reflections of the deer's eyes, the distance between the lights would have to be less; a deer do not have eyes like an owl.
I'm not sure I follow what you are saying here. In what way are deer eyes not like an owl? 



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Btw, the company could have a hell of reasons for such birdbrained "explanation".
Really? And what would that be?
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

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Experts Explain Deer-Cam UFO

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By Alan Boyle

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LOLWAT. How smart do you have to be to think the explanation given by the manufacturer of the camera is stupid?


You seem pretty confident that it isn't vehicle headlights and you seem to find the technical explanation that it is an optical effect of the camera lens laughable.  

So what's your explanation Einstein? Do you think it might be aliens or inter-dimensional beings or spirits of the dead or anything untoward?

If the lights are actually the reflections of the deer's eyes, the distance between the lights would have to be less; a deer do not have eyes like an owl. Btw, the company could have a hell of reasons for such birdbrained "explanation".
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My money is on local teens out having some fun with this guy. 

As to the landowner, what a great name for a band. 

Ladies and Gents, good to see you at the Pine Knot tonight.  Wings are on special till 9. 
Now, please welcome, from Jackson county...

The Rainer Shattles Band!
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Beam me up: A sharp light slices through the frame, focusing like a laser on one of the deer
This is my favourite picture of all of them. Now we know that the Shattles set up two cameras a feasible explanation presents itself - the "light" we see in the pictures is not in the visible spectrum, it is infra-red and created by the cameras themselves. 

The most plausible explanation for this picture is that we see the "invisible to the human eye" infra-red light of one camera being photographed by the other camera. It also nicely shows that the nocturnal deer, whose eyes have an abundance of rod-cells, can possibly see, or at least detect, this infra-red light.
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Clearly the aliens have switched from cattle to deer, were about to vivisect the poor things gonads, realized they'd been caught on camera, and got the hell out of there.
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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

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Experts Explain Deer-Cam UFO

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By Alan Boyle

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LOLWAT. How smart do you have to be to think the explanation given by the manufacturer of the camera is stupid?


You seem pretty confident that it isn't vehicle headlights and you seem to find the technical explanation that it is an optical effect of the camera lens laughable.  

So what's your explanation Einstein? Do you think it might be aliens or inter-dimensional beings or spirits of the dead or anything untoward?
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Experts Explain Deer-Cam UFO

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A spooky trail-camera picture showing a pair of lights looming over a deer's head has generated lots of questions about UFOs over the past week. Now the folks who manufacture the camera that took the picture say they know the true answer to the mystery.

"It helps when you look at thousands of these things," said Boyd Barnett, who handles marketing and advertising at Alabama-based Moultrie Products.

He and others at Moultrie say the lights seen in the picture are actually the reflections of the deer's eyes, bouncing around inside the infrared cameraA trail-camera picture shows a deer's head with two lights and a ghostly haze hanging above it. Representatives of the company that made the camera say the spooky apparition is actually a distorted image of the deer and its eyes, reflected as part of a phenomenon known as blowback
"The big clue is that the UFO is lined up symmetrically over the deer, where the eyes would be," Moultrie brand manager Bart Stephens told NBC News. The photo is so overexposed that it looks as if the deer is looking out toward the "lights," but it's actually looking right into the camera. The ghostly haze in the picture is also part of the effect.


A side view from a different trail camera shows what could well be the same deer, illuminated by the first camera's infrared beam.

Rainer Shattles, who placed both those cameras on his wooded property in Jackson County, Miss., told NBC News he's not fully convinced. He pointed to other pictures that appear to show a shape like a flying saucer up in the trees. A skeptic might try to explain away such effects as lens flare, but Shattles insists there's something strange going on.

"If it's a government drone, coming through that area at night, they need to speak up," he. "But they're not going to say anything."

http://www.nbcnews.com/science/weird-science/caught-headlights-experts-explain-deer-cam-ufo-n76156


LOL what a stupid explanation!



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