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What the hell happened with this thread since the afternoon?
Indeed. I thought this thread is about what its title suggests.
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Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

What the hell happened with this thread since the afternoon?


Even if we begin by agreeing, place me and Jean in a room for five minutes and this will be the result. Big smile 
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My calculations, analyses, statistics, tarot readings, and all further studies conducted on the subject have revealed to me that there are 7 people who like later KC albums better than the first ones. And of those only 2 are not direct relatives of Mr. Fripp. 
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What the hell happened with this thread since the afternoon?
"The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook
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Very good. Now make a noise like a machine gun. Stern Smile
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by the way, Dean, I totally agree with your signature. this is a drill:


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

 
"many" and "few" are relative terms
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Dean, I m not talking of the number in comparison to the rest, I am talking of the mere number. 1% of the earth population is 70 million. I doubt you would call that number "few"


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well, we can at  least attempt to find out..

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=97274&PID=4947541#4947541


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

how many members do the ProgArchives have? 5000? let's say just 1% of them is of the opinion that the latter King Crimson are the better one. that would make it 50 people  would you call 50 people "few"? it is certainly few compared to the bulk, but nevertheless it is quite a number.

if you don't follow my argument and say "1% is few" consider this: how many prog fans are out there? let's say it is just a million. that would still make 10000 people who are of that opinion. now while that would be a clear minority it is anything but few. would you not agree?
Of course not. Of course 50 out of 5000 is "a few" the remaining 4,950 are "the many". 1000 is few compared to the remaining 999,000 that are many. It doesn't matter what size the population is, 1% is 1% is 1% (sorry, but it's turtles all the way down). Besides, your numbers are pulled from the nether regions of your imagination, so what if that 1% was 5% or 0.01%? ... The 'strewth of the matter is we just don't know how many would believe such a thing (and it seems that Pedro has failed to be counted as one of them), from my experience here I have seen a few.
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how many members do the ProgArchives have? 5000? let's say just 1% of them is of the opinion that the latter King Crimson are the better one. that would make it 50 people  would you call 50 people "few"? it is certainly few compared to the bulk, but nevertheless it is quite a number.

if you don't follow my argument and say "1% is few" consider this: how many prog fans are out there? let's say it is just a million. that would still make 10000 people who are of that opinion. now while that would be a clear minority it is anything but few. would you not agree?


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... and what about the lack of polyphony on King Crimson's music ? 


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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:



I don't know about Pedro, but I've definitely met people on this forum that hold this opinion.
So have I. But I've met "few" not "many" 


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Trust Mosh to echo something that wasn't said.  LOL
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Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:



I don't know about Pedro, but I've definitely met people on this forum that hold this opinion.
So have I. But I've met "few" not "many" 
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2014 at 10:02
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

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Eh? One more time with feeling...

Are you seriously saying that later Crimson is best?
 
I've never really enjoyed anything after Red/Starless at all.  I kinda think that Robert lost his desire to do anything worth while with King Crimson after the first couple of albums. Even the 2nd album was almost a copy of the 1st, which we know is a record company issue, and demand that happened to everyone, and KC was not immune to it, and I think that it might actually be the straw that started making him unhappy.
 
It was hard to believe that after the mix of styles and work in the 1st album, that the 2nd album had nothing new!
 
I much prefer his solo work and stuff with Eno, Cluster, Toyah and others, than anything else by King Crimson.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

nevertheless, "we all know early Crimson is the best" is a bold statement, and I am certain many people would disagree there
 
I'm with you on this.

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

I've never really enjoyed anything after Red/Starless at all.


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Points: 1607 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2014 at 09:48
[Formerly there was here a quote made unwillingly by mistake]
 
As I said before - NO influence is essential for an artist, but man ... the word 'influence' is ultimately one more elementary 'ingredient' of the damn recipe that any inspired composer uses! So, what does he mostly listens or listened to?? classic rock, jazz, jazz fusion, rap, funk, folk, metal, pop and classical? ..... because I don't believe in the fairy tale that a talented composer is used to listen to likely everything in this world. OK, no wonder that 70's prog featured damn original music, but you'll lol if a writer (f.e.) says that he never read to a single book in order to be f******g original.
 


Edited by Rick Robson - June 07 2015 at 15:58


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