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pkos76 
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Posted: February 17 2014 at 16:03 |
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i think this album of Yes is very underrated. it is better than any other album of bands like Spock's beard, flower kings,Edison children Neal morse.the stange thing is that these band albums are rated higher from the album of Yes.i want your opinion.
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bhikkhu
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Posted: February 17 2014 at 16:15 |
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This is a volatile subject. People tend to have a love / hate relationship with TfTO. I love it personally but agree that it exemplifies the excesses that draw criticism to prog.
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dwill123
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Posted: February 17 2014 at 17:11 |
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Four album sides of noise. Bill Bruford got out while the getting was good.
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Posted: February 17 2014 at 17:20 |
 dwill123 wrote:
Four album sides of noise. Bill Bruford got out while the getting was good. |
See what I mean? 
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dennismoore
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Posted: February 17 2014 at 18:16 |
dwill123 wrote:
Four album sides of noise. Bill Bruford got out while the getting was good. |
"I see. Well, of course, this is just the sort of blinkered
philistine pig-ignorance I've come to expect from you non-creative
garbage. You sit there on your loathsome spotty behinds squeezing
blackheads, not caring a tinker's cuss for the struggling artist.
You excrement, you whining hypocritical toadies with your colour TV
sets and your Tony Jacklin golf clubs and your bleeding masonic
secret handshakes."
-John Cleese- ...somewhere in the very early 1970's... ..kinda like Tales...
As far as Tales goes: its best if it is argued about while keeping it in the context
of its time of 1973 and still very early in the prog movement. YES certainly swung for the fences
with this one. 2LP set: 4 sides - 4 songs. One can't fault them for trying to "progress" from their
last prog smash: CTTE. After all YES do progressive rock.
I suppose the debate on Tales is a bit of a "glass half full or empty" argument.
I consider the glass half full. Was Tales perfect? No. Frankly I think YES should have spent much more
time flushing the musical themes out a lot more, more equally as a group.
Everybody knows Tales was quickly done by Steve & Jon. If I were to fault Tales it would be that
it was not done in the context of equal contributions by the others. Like CTTE. Had Chris & Rick had more
time to contribute it would have been much stronger. Perhaps they rushed Tales out.
For me, Tales was my third YES LP record, after "Yesterdays", & "Yessongs". Way back in 1976
I instantly liked three sides of it, while not caring much for The Ancient(cept for that magnificent
classical guitar piece at the end). After all these years I think the exact same thing about Tales!
If people expect Tales to be some complete DaVinci prog masterpiece they will likely be disappointed.
If they look at Tales as the first real stretch into classical prog, leaving "rock" in the dust, then
they should find plenty of innovation to marvel at & enjoy.
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"Yeah, people are unhappy about that - but you know what, it's still Yes." - Chris Squire
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smartpatrol
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Posted: February 17 2014 at 18:23 |
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I love Tales. It might've been better of the songs were more to the point, sure, but they were still at the top their game. I'd say about 75% of it is really amazing, and the rest, tho filler, is still pretty nice
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Posted: February 17 2014 at 18:40 |
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The cover of the album is nice.
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Posted: February 17 2014 at 19:08 |
The T wrote:
The cover of the album is nice. |
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Posted: February 17 2014 at 19:36 |
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I've went on at length about this in all the previous Tales threads so I'll keep it short.
My favorite prog album, bar none.
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dr wu23
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Posted: February 17 2014 at 20:20 |
The T wrote:
The cover of the album is nice. |
good one......
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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dr wu23
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Posted: February 17 2014 at 20:26 |
If anything ...it's overrated, but I do think it has some nice parts here and there.
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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Posted: February 17 2014 at 20:40 |
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I agree. I reviewed it and gave it 5 stars. One of my favorite prog albums ever. As i stated. I takes a long time for it to sink in. Most listeners don't want to dedicate a lot of time to find deeper meaning in music.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: February 18 2014 at 00:27 |
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It's an awful lot less terrible than Close To The Edge
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Posted: February 18 2014 at 01:10 |
pkos76 wrote:
i think this album of Yes is very underrated. it is better than any other album of bands like Spock's beard, flower kings,Edison children Neal morse.the stange thing is that these band albums are rated higher from the album of Yes.i want your opinion.
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I don't think it is underrated at all, it has been around for eons and pretty much everyone within the progressive rock community knows this album well. There are strong opinions of the album and its four compositions, its pretty impressive regardless if you like it or not. I do struggle with your comparing it to Spock's Beard, TFK, Edisons Children and Neal Morse, seems strange to me. There are many albums from the same Tales era that are rated higher......my opinion is that a rating is just an opinion. But I do believe based on the age of the album it is probably rated where it should be, whereas a project band like Edisons Children, will not stand the test of time as Tales has and will. I like the album very much.
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Posted: February 18 2014 at 05:56 |
Edited by chopper - February 18 2014 at 05:56
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Moogtron III
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Posted: February 18 2014 at 08:38 |
dennismoore wrote:
Everybody knows Tales was quickly done by Steve & Jon. If I were to fault Tales it would be that
it was not done in the context of equal contributions by the others. Like CTTE. Had Chris & Rick had more
time to contribute it would have been much stronger. Perhaps they rushed Tales out.
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Probably, yes, but I prefer Tales to Close To The Edge because the music had more room to breath. It wasn't as perfected as CttE but that did help the music. The music has time to evolve. It wasn't meant to be as it was, maybe, but the funny thing is: I like it the way it came out. In fact, I like it a lot.
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moshkito
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Posted: February 18 2014 at 08:59 |
bhikkhu wrote:
dwill123 wrote:
Four album sides of noise. Bill Bruford got out while the getting was good. |
See what I mean? |
It's what happens when someone doesn't know the difference between "music" and "rock hit" and "favorite song". A pop/rock song can be music, but not all music is a pop/rock song ... except to people that are not listening!
It is, by very far, one of the greatest things every written in rock music, were it not for a member or two that wouldn't know the difference between his music knowledge, history, and what they actually did, which is almost the same as any composer in the history of music!
Sadly, the perspective is not always something that is appreciated in a populist board where so many people only post about their favorite band and song! There are many people that do not consider electric music "classical" in any way, and still call it pop music. There is no future for the "orchestra" design that we know well, and the electric version is the future in music, and things will change sooner or later.
Btw, there already is a thread on this, and it probably should be closed down.
Edited by moshkito - February 18 2014 at 09:00
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dr wu23
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Posted: February 18 2014 at 09:18 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
It's an awful lot less terrible than Close To The Edge |
Here on Prog Archives:
CTTE -2930 votes.. 4.65 stars
Relayer- 1935 votes.. 4.35 stars
Fragile- 2215 votes...4.42
Yes Album- 1781 votes ..4.28
TFTO-1571 votes.. 3.88 stars
'Nuff said..?
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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Posted: February 18 2014 at 10:01 |
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Topographic Oceans was an idea forming mostly from Jon Anderson and Steve Howe...while Wakeman...decided the project was not good for his soul. Just read what's out there on the subject in more than 10 articles/interviews and observe what that really meant. He acted bored and complained about "bleeding". Constant bleeding...as he put it many times. His keyboard parts and settings are beautiful and help to create that particular atmospheric sound everyone appreciates in Topographic. It's a little double standard
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Posted: February 18 2014 at 10:14 |
Not as good as Thick as a Brick but very close. 
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