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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2014 at 12:41
Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

I don't find the review abusive, indeed the author is stating his opinion, but I don't think a review is the best place to attack or question religious (or non-religious) beliefs, there is plenty of space in the forum to do that.

Am I interested to know your opinion about a certain belief in a Transatlantic review? Certainly not.
Am I interested to know if you find the lyrics cheesy and un-inspired? Indeed I am. So there is a bit of a difference of how this is approached.

Overall I don't find the review anything special, but knowing Neal Morse's style I may have had a similar opinion about the lyrics too... At the end of the day, everyone has got his one opinion and this is respected here.
 
You captured my feelings about this specific review , but I don't often read the music reviews anyway.
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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Well, there's got to be somebody to flag the album as Christian rock?  The high ratings and all round rave reviews make it look very tempting but, say, an atheist who does not want to be assaulted by Christian rock should at least be able to learn that from the reviews.  I should hope that what does and does not constitute a poor review is not determined only by its propensity to offend certain sections of people but also by how informative it is or isn't.  I didn't read all the reviews since I am not a fan of this band (and am neither atheist nor Christian, by the way) but Alan B's review was the only other that flagged this aspect.  Though it was not mentioned as a drawback.  That's a shame. Surely, if indeed Christianity is that central to Morse's lyrics, it should be mentioned in the reviews as fair warning because it can provoke strong reactions either way.  

I do agree that a serious reviewer would definitely inform his readers that Morse mostly writes about Christ.  They may be attracted to or repelled from it because of this.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2014 at 15:29
Is this how it is to be now? Reviews cannot criticise or express opinion, they can only inform? 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rogerthat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2014 at 19:57
Well, I suppose one is allowed to rave silly with 4 or 5 stars. Wink  It's coming up to a "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it".
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Atavachron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2014 at 21:06
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Is this how it is to be now? Reviews cannot criticise or express opinion, they can only inform? 

No.   Nor is it necessary to assert that reviews must be well-written, which is usually my big complaint.   Who are we kidding.   In many ways this is a teaching-hospital as much as it is an archives.   To be honest, we'd probably miss everyone and their writing whatever pops into their heads.  

The original intent of the site ~ an open exchange of ideas and opinions with a firm but tolerant rule enforcement system ~ should still be valued and protected.   I just get a little fed up with the review content once and awhile, but I should do what I usually do:  shut-up about it and just do my thing.


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Is this how it is to be now? Reviews cannot criticise or express opinion, they can only inform? 

The reviewers criticize the artists, but who criticizes the reviewers?
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^  We do, evidently.

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The problem we have in this the 14th year of the 3rd millennium AD (see we can't even have a date without it being arbitrarily linked to the unverifiable date of some fictional character!), is that religious belief is put on some kind of special pedestal! I was called anti-Semitic for stating that no parents had the right to hack off the foreskin of an infant without a good medical reason for doing so! If somebody want's to be circumcised because of religious compulsion then they can wait till they are 18 and then choose to have it done like tattoos and body piercings! See how religion is allowed to perpetrate child abuse and nobody bats an eyelid? And it is a fact that no-body in the UK has been prosecuted for the barbaric female circumcision although there have been thousands of girls mutilated in this terrible way! No-body who is of right-mind would condone such abuse of children in the world today!!
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^ It's enough already, you're going off the deep end.
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^ It's enough already, you're going off the deep end.

That's right, bury your head in the sand.
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

The problem we have in this the 14th year of the 3rd millennium AD (see we can't even have a date without it being arbitrarily linked to the unverifiable date of some fictional character!), is that religious belief is put on some kind of special pedestal! I was called anti-Semitic for stating that no parents had the right to hack off the foreskin of an infant without a good medical reason for doing so! If somebody want's to be circumcised because of religious compulsion then they can wait till they are 18 and then choose to have it done like tattoos and body piercings! See how religion is allowed to perpetrate child abuse and nobody bats an eyelid? And it is a fact that no-body in the UK has been prosecuted for the barbaric female circumcision although there have been thousands of girls mutilated in this terrible way! No-body who is of right-mind would condone such abuse of children in the world today!!


His previous posts hinted as much but the reviewer's real agenda is revealed here i.e. what appeared to be a reasonably balanced review critical of the evangelical slant of Morse's lyrics was really just a foretaste of a fanatical and obsessive diatribe against all religion. Speaking as an atheist I was initially supportive of the review but can see now that its author is every bit as harmful as the sort of proselytism he professes to abhor..
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:


His previous posts hinted as much but the reviewer's real agenda is revealed here i.e. what appeared to be a reasonably balanced review critical of the evangelical slant of Morse's lyrics was really just a foretaste of a fanatical and obsessive diatribe against all religion. Speaking as an atheist I was initially supportive of the review but can see now that its author is every bit as harmful as the sort of proselytism he professes to abhor.


I'm another atheist and I agree, he's clearly got a proselytism agenda way past highlighting the content of the lyric. Not helpful. He's lost me.

Edited by Nogbad_The_Bad - February 10 2014 at 06:07
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ It's enough already, you're going off the deep end.

That's right, bury your head in the sand.
But this will be my last post coz The lunatics have taken over the asylum!
Over and out!

Woo-hoo !    But I think the lunatics have always been in charge of this asylum, thank goodness.  

And somehow I doubt this is your last post.


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Perhaps certain person's fixation with Nurse Ratched was right all along about. (even if he can never get her name right).
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:


His previous posts hinted as much but the reviewer's real agenda is revealed here i.e. what appeared to be a reasonably balanced review critical of the evangelical slant of Morse's lyrics was really just a foretaste of a fanatical and obsessive diatribe against all religion. Speaking as an atheist I was initially supportive of the review but can see now that its author is every bit as harmful as the sort of proselytism he professes to abhor.


I'm another atheist and I agree, he's clearly got a proselytism agenda way past highlighting the content of the lyric. Not helpful. He's lost me.

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...but it would have been okay if he'd put it to music?
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

...but it would have been okay if he'd put it to music?
 
As long as he warned us about the lyrical content Tongue
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Barney doesn't have an agenda.  You all just can't take criticism of belief. 
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Mr Barney, if you know you're not going to like an album where Neal Morse is a principal songwriter why do you spend the amount of time needed to absorb the music and then the time to write a review? Personally I wouldn't waste the time on listening to it in the first place more than the amount needed to get a feel for it.

For the record I'm in the same place and simply avoid his albums.

I haven't posted a lot here lately but wanted to at least take a second to answer this question, why does Rob (Barney) take the time to absorb and listen to the music.  This guy loves new symphonic prog, trust me when I say this, he took the time and bought the CD because he wants to love it.  He is a huge fan of all things symphonic.  He is a very knowledgeable person and one could say insanely passionate about the genre.

His writing style is flamboyant to say the least but this is a man that truly bought this CD with the hopes of loving it.
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There is an old saying in Britain.....when you go to a pub, avoid talking about sex, religion, and politics, because it always leads to trouble.

These religious (or atheist, because some atheists are at least as annoyingly evangelical as religious advocates) threads are ceasing to be faintly amusing, and tending to the annoying.

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