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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13232 |
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Humorously, after vilifying Neil in their magazine, Rolling Stone later gave both albums 5 stars in their ratings books -- because the rag spends most of its time trying to rewrite rock history, ignoring its own lunacy with a revisionism that equates to publisher Jann Wenner's need to include only bands he approves of in his b*****dized Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Hence, rap bands, the Jacksons, ABBA and other pop performers who were never considered specifically "rock" bands are enshrined, while Yes, King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Deep Purple and The Moody Blues are not. Which is profoundly f***** up. Edited by The Dark Elf - January 26 2014 at 11:04 |
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Bitterblogger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 04 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1719 |
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Let us recognize at least one reviewer, for fairness--Chris Welch, late of Melody Maker.
But perhaps we have strayed from the topic. No surprise to anyone here that mainstream rock criticism has had it in for prog since early on. |
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18146 |
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Honestly, compared to what "Animals" was before it became "Animals" two or three years earlier, it deserved the warmed over something or other. But it wasn't that bad, and it should not have been given those words, and the concerts showed that the reviewers were quite wrong!
Music journalists are PEOPLE. And the ones at the LA Times, loved to show off their favorites and trash everyone else. They were all experts on The Who and Led Zeppelin and Rolling Stones, but their music tastes after that tended into the area of ... cheap and trash music!
A lot of this came to a head when the FM radio coming up, was playing more music than they knew or wanted to discuss, since they had not heard the new stuff enough to know where to go piss and poop. But there were some folks that helped. It's hard to think that Jim Ladd in LA was not major for Pink Floyd, BEFORE the Dark Side.days. But even at that time, Roger already did not care what reviewers said, and later you know how he reacted to things in the "Radio Kaos" thing.
The Wall, by the way, also got some bad reviews early, and when the movie came out, all of a sudden, it was great. And then the album hit really big. But it took a couple of months for it to take hold, and in LA, they were playing only two songs (Hey You and Comfortably Numb) until some time later when the other song became a radio hit -- We Don't Need no Education. And from that point on, there were some pundits in LA that thought the whole thing pretentious, but their voice lost its strength given the numbers, the sales and everything else. The 4 shows at the Sports Arena were sold out in like 20 minutes! A totally insane number.
So who needs "critics" when they only like crap anyway?
It's the same here, really, and you have to put a little salt or sugar on things, and you must remember that it is about YOU, and your listening ability and less about what I or anyone else says.
However, you have to know the "inner truth" to know what someone is saying, because not everyone is talking crap! And this is where "fans" get lost in the translation and advertising!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29590 |
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Great comments about The Wall. When I was about 21 that album was the most important thing to me in the universe. I honestly believe that I wouldn't be here typing my nonsense but for that album and Roger Waters. Someone has to tell it as it is.
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presdoug ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 24 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 8778 |
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The "critics" never really meant anything to me, and like someone said, i don't think i have read any of their reviews since the 80s.
I have always hated Rolling Stone magazine, mainly for their lack of focus and understanding of European artists. They really pissed me off with their lame excuse for a review of Quatermass's brilliant debut album. Typical. |
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Rick Robson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 03 2013 Location: Rio de Janeiro Status: Offline Points: 1607 |
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When I hear anything from art critics in general, regardless of his branch or specialty, I indeed can't afford to keep my attention to that - unfortunately? I actually don't know - I feel them excessively complex to the edge of boring explanation...
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![]() "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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The same could apply to me. I had the Wall before I got into Rush, Genesis et al... I was 13 and had no idea what prog rock was. I just knew that I liked music that most of my friends didn't like and I couldn't work out why.. ![]() I may not have gotten into other prog rock bands had it not been for Floyd. |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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Same here, Doug, screw the critics.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20033 |
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If I remember rightly someone from Melody Maker (possibly Chris Welch) went to interview Yes whilst they were recording "Tormato" and confidently told us that "Arriving UFO" was the greatest thing Yes had ever done and made all sorts of claims about how great the album was.
I do like Tormato, but it didn't live up to his claims.
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HemispheresOfXanadu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 28 2012 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4339 |
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![]() Edited by HemispheresOfXanadu - January 28 2014 at 15:09 |
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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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I am a lucky man (to paraphrase the ELP song) as I hate both Rolling Stone and the Rolling Stones for the same reasons= elitist, dysfunctional, rude, primitive and petit bourgeois . Neither know how to spell the word CLASS, mainly because they are school-less illiterate musician wannabees. Calling prog bands Jethro Dull, Muddy Blues, King of Crime and Unfocused was perhaps amusing to their mignons but showed how facile and imbecile they all were. But they are good at marketing and business which says little about the quality of these 'less than venerable' professions as a whole. Now Lester Bangs is the apotheosis of rock journalist idiocy and pretty much everything he has written (or had stenographed) was garbage mainly because that was his favorite style of music (garage=garbage?) . Rant over, breathe !
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I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29590 |
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Yep but then Chris Welch just did the fanboy thing by the sounds of it that many of us are guilty of
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Bitterblogger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 04 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1719 |
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You must not be familiar with Bangs' review of the first Yes album. He liked Banks' playing and their cover of "I See You". |
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javajeff ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 01 2009 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 467 |
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I do not know how Rush Fly by Night is rated by critics, but I love it. It is rated very low here on PA since I listen to it way more than albums rated much higher.
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29590 |
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The early embryonic version of Yes is quite different to the one that emerged in 1972 has to be said. I love the debut and Time and a Word mainly for Tony Kaye's lovely 'crunchy' organ sound. There is a warmth in the music that perhaps was less evident later. Possibly this may be the reason critics turned a bit on them later.
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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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I am quite familiar with his early 'heresy' but it took little time for him to become prog's slayer, ridiculing an entire genre, without any sense of open mindedness. He pilloried and ridiculed so many, in Creem magazine mostly, a rocker vigilante that ultimately aided and obeyed in killing prog in the late 70s . That is a sad fact, indeed .
I still have many of his articles and reviews at hand, proof in the cream pudding ![]() Edited by tszirmay - January 29 2014 at 02:03 |
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I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
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npjnpj ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
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There was a German version of the music magazine Sounds starting in the 60's. Luckily I was able to get hold of an almost 1600 page long book containing all reviews published there from 1966 to 1977 (I actually bought it in 1978), and some of those reviews are hilarious.
A lot of albums considered classics now were trashed: The Beatles' White Album, Led Zep's Physical Graffiti, Floyd's Animals; the list goes on and on. Others received a luke warm reception, to put it kindly. Reading these reviews I think it's a small wonder that any of the great bands even survived the middle '70s. Thank goodness the fans saw things differently. |
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Bitterblogger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 04 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1719 |
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Any way you could post one for hilarity's sake? |
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npjnpj ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
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In principle I'd love to. It's just a matter of finding the time to translate it.
Any requests? |
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18146 |
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I think that Welch was also one of the thrashers on TFTO and Relayer. I would like to see those reviews.
Btw, I believe, not sure that I am right or not, but Lester Bangs was the guy that called Tangerine Dream, washing machine music! As I said before, with ears like that who needs his reviews!
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