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darkshade
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Posted: January 20 2014 at 10:47 |
So I just finished up the 81-82 era of Zappa's music. Chalk Pie One Shot Deal Ship Arriving Too Late to Save a Drowning Witch The Man From Utopia (vinyl mix) The Man From Utopia (remix (UMe)) You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 5 (disc 2)
These are the next few Zappa albums and shows in my chronological listen: London Symphony Orchestra The Perfect Stranger Francesco Zappa 1984/06/16 Berkeley Beat The Boots III (disc 3) ("None of the Above")
I think I've hit a brick wall. LSO is a hard listen, and I really need to be in the mood to listen to it. I've probably only listened to it 4 times ever. It's one of Frank's darkest albums, and wildly dissonant. Doing this chronological run, I've realized that there is little of Zappa's classical music or chamber music recorded from 1973-1982, so it's been mostly rock/jazz-fusion. After all these albums, diving right into LSO is like making a 180 turn in Frank's canon.
The other albums are much easier to listen to, in my opinion, though I don't know the '84 classical performance that well. I've considered giving this up and just listen to whatever FZ album I want again, but I've gone so far, I would like to keep going. This has become harder than I thought (don't worry, I've had a lot of fun doing this, I'm not complaining)
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: January 20 2014 at 18:54 |
Yeah, I've got the LSO in vinyl but haven't listened to it years.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Man With Hat
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Posted: January 20 2014 at 23:51 |
Keep going! Don't stop fur nuttin'.
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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darkshade
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Posted: January 21 2014 at 16:36 |
Maybe after I listen to this 8 hour show.
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smartpatrol
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Posted: January 21 2014 at 16:53 |
man, even with a discography as eclectic as Zappa's, I don't think I could spend so much time listening to his discography in order. Keep on truckin
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darkshade
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Posted: January 21 2014 at 20:56 |
It's quite mind-expanding, and you notice little details in Zappa's music that you may have never noticed, by listening to everything in chronological order. I've commented in this thread about it.
Edited by darkshade - January 21 2014 at 20:56
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smartpatrol
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Posted: January 21 2014 at 21:56 |
neat
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smartpatrol
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Posted: January 23 2014 at 13:33 |
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hellogoodbye
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Posted: January 25 2014 at 06:05 |
Guys, do you know this one ? It sounds like it fell of the head of Frank.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPrvBF1rmKw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BUaRvUZ1oU
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Evolver
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Posted: January 29 2014 at 12:22 |
It's that time again. In a few days we should know the next supposed date for RBP release.
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Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
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Letlive.
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Posted: January 29 2014 at 23:55 |
Wo0o0
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darkshade
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Posted: January 30 2014 at 17:27 |
Evolver wrote:
It's that time again. In a few days we should know the next supposed date for RBP release. |
It doesn't matter, because the album everyone's really been waiting for is coming out... Joe's Camouflage
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Evolver
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Posted: January 30 2014 at 18:10 |
darkshade wrote:
Evolver wrote:
It's that time again. In a few days we should know the next supposed date for RBP release. |
It doesn't matter, because the album everyone's really been waiting for is coming out... Joe's Camouflage
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I'm a litle hesitant to order Camouflage, but I must. Not RBP is now Feb 14, or February Fools' Day.
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Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
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HolyMoly
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Posted: January 30 2014 at 18:31 |
I can't wait until the next delayed release date is announced.
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Man With Hat
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Posted: January 30 2014 at 18:43 |
Evolver wrote:
darkshade wrote:
Evolver wrote:
It's that time again. In a few days we should know the next supposed date for RBP release. | It doesn't matter, because the album everyone's really been waiting for is coming out... Joe's Camouflage |
I'm a litle hesitant to order Camouflage, but I must. Not RBP is now Feb 14, or February Fools' Day. |
Please report back on it.
These Joe's -age series is a bit much for me to just blindly buy.
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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Man With Hat
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Posted: January 30 2014 at 18:43 |
HolyMoly wrote:
I can't wait until the next delayed release date is announced. |
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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darkshade
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Posted: January 31 2014 at 17:41 |
Finally got around to continue the Zappa-thon. Remembering how dissonant London Symphony Orchestra is, as I'm listening to the album, I'm noticing all the pretty and uplifting moments there are. I had similar experiences with Zappa's synclavier work. The music hits you as a barrage of anxious, dissonant, nervous music, and a lot of it is.But repeated listens (and plenty of time since the last time I listened to LSO) reveals deeper moments of beauty. LSO isn't one of those albums you can listen to while driving, you need to be alone, with no distractions. But I was so not ready to continue on, but I'm glad I did. Only Frank Zappa could have made this music.
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darkshade
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Posted: February 02 2014 at 19:46 |
What relationship does Frank Zappa have with New Jersey. I listened to the A Zappa Affair performance, and before each piece is performed, Frank explains to the audience what each piece is about, and before Sinister Footwear, he talks about a place in New Jersey who hires illegal immigrants, and it made me laugh, not just because I live in NJ (though this is part of the reason I always notice the references), but because this is yet another reference to NJ in Zappa's music, one I never heard before. Why does Frank make fun of NJ as often as he did? I know NJ is a laughing stock because everyone thinks the state is just Elizabeth, NJ with its factories and bad smells, or Atlantic City, but is there any particular reason Frank mentions NJ throughout his career?
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darkshade
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Posted: February 03 2014 at 11:34 |
Them Or Us would be a more enjoyable album if the album had some PUNCH to it, at least during the hard rocking parts. Stevie's Spanking and Sinister Footwear II sound so weak, especially compared to the 88 band version on MAJNH.
Edited by darkshade - February 03 2014 at 11:35
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HolyMoly
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Posted: February 03 2014 at 11:46 |
darkshade wrote:
What relationship does Frank Zappa have with New Jersey. I listened to the A Zappa Affair performance, and before each piece is performed, Frank explains to the audience what each piece is about, and before Sinister Footwear, he talks about a place in New Jersey who hires illegal immigrants, and it made me laugh, not just because I live in NJ (though this is part of the reason I always notice the references), but because this is yet another reference to NJ in Zappa's music, one I never heard before. Why does Frank make fun of NJ as often as he did? I know NJ is a laughing stock because everyone thinks the state is just Elizabeth, NJ with its factories and bad smells, or Atlantic City, but is there any particular reason Frank mentions NJ throughout his career?
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What are some examples of his references to New Jersey? I'm drawing a blank.
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