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The new Riverside album is very nicely done, and side 4 contains 2 lengthy pieces - 'Night Session' (1 and 2). Fully instrumental, and a bit different from the album itself, though with same instrumentation and sound etc. Loooove the Wurlitzer e-piano sound he's got (real or sampled ??). Great band, every album is superb (and I'm not usually into all the fancy 'metal' sounding bands, just very selective).
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^ I have looked in the past, will again. Someone else told me about him once.....Friday I ordered Riverside~New Generation and the new Flower Kings on vinyl. Black Friday specials both for $12ea shipped......wayyy too cheap.
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Are you familiar with 'Syn Phonic' ?? I think he (Greg) still has LTE available. Just type in syn phonic and you will get to his catalogs. I have seen sellers on E-Bay with Flying Colors available on vinyl.
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I have been looking for LTE I, no luck Cry.......Did Flying Colors come out on vinyl?? How did I miss that...Last night (I think) I posted LTE II on "What Are You Listening...", so you can see the splatter vinyl.
 
Talking about Marillion.....the new remix of Brave from last year on vinyl is a remake of the original, with the dbl groove ending and all. And OMG the sound is brilliant, they really did a fantastic job on the remix. The sleeves are plain, the gatefold has all the lyrics.....sweet package.
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Transatlantic = 3 LP sets - a dbl g/f (album proper) and single sleeve LP (bonus material) in beautiful slip-sleeves.
Yes' 'Magnification' LP is a dbl on purple vinyl occupying 3 of the 4 sides.
Prog on vinyl is awesome

 
You are so right!! The new Transatlantic will also be a 3-LP set and I think on green vinyl. LTE II is a very cool blue/green splatter pattern.
Marillion Radiation 2013 is a nice deep blue, with the 4th side an etching pattern...made to look like a radiation sign Nuke
 
All dbl gatefold with liner notes on the sleeves...super cool.
You know, at the end of the day, it's really difficult to describe to the 'masses' of the love of vinyl LP's. CD's just seem so........cheap. I dunno. I grew up with vinyl and I wasn't going to stop with the advent of CD's which came in big-time in the early 90's (rare before then). As I said, vinyl all the way.
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^ Oh man - I don't have Radiation yet, nor the LTE II (their 1st is nice with the 1 mauve/1 green dbl LP. I usually wait for a list from Greg at Syn-Phonic, and then make my choice. He doesn't get every Prog vinyl though. He never got the Flying Colors in either. Or Diagonal's sophomore release.
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Transatlantic = 3 LP sets - a dbl g/f (album proper) and single sleeve LP (bonus material) in beautiful slip-sleeves.
Yes' 'Magnification' LP is a dbl on purple vinyl occupying 3 of the 4 sides.
Prog on vinyl is awesome
 
You are so right!! The new Transatlantic will also be a 3-LP set and I think on green vinyl. LTE II is a very cool blue/green splatter pattern.
Marillion Radiation 2013 is a nice deep blue, with the 4th side an etching pattern...made to look like a radiation sign Nuke
 
All dbl gatefold with liner notes on the sleeves...super cool.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:


Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:



What do they do in the vinyl versions of the many recent albums which last 70 or 80 minutes? does new vinyl have longer playing duration that the typical 55 or so minutes? do they have to release them as double LPs? or do they ommit tracks? 

 
Dbl LP issues. For example Porcupine Tree FoABP is a dbl LP and includes the Nil Recurring tracks. Marillion's Marbles is a dbl LP. All DT vinyl I have is 2-LP issues.


Yup. Scenes of a memory is a double LP as well. I guess anything over the 50min mark you have to do this? Really haven't looked into it, but I shall. :)

To get longer playing times on a side of vinyl they have to make the grooves narrower so they can be packed closer together. There are three ways of doing this, the first is simply to reduced the peak volume level recorded onto the platter, which means the playback will be very quiet and that affects the signal to noise ratio because the noise remains the same but the signal is now reduced - basically you'll hear the surface noise a lot more if they did that. The second way is to apply a lot of compression to the recording to boost the quiet bits so they are not affected by the noise so much, you still get a  quieter playback but at least the noise isn't so bad - but over-compression is over-compression no matter what the recording medium is. The third way is to use combination of filters and EQ to reduce the percussive and other spiky sounds in the recording that result in big excursions in the grooves. In practice mastering engineers use a combination of all three to squeeze more time out of a 12" platter, as a result they sound awful:
It may have lasted a hour, but the compression was so bad it sounded truly dreadful.


Of course. All be it its about The compression rate. Oh I see. Many thanks, Mr. Cracknell. Much appreciated. Now I don't have to look it up. What you said seems logical.
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Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:


Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:



What do they do in the vinyl versions of the many recent albums which last 70 or 80 minutes? does new vinyl have longer playing duration that the typical 55 or so minutes? do they have to release them as double LPs? or do they ommit tracks? 

 
Dbl LP issues. For example Porcupine Tree FoABP is a dbl LP and includes the Nil Recurring tracks. Marillion's Marbles is a dbl LP. All DT vinyl I have is 2-LP issues.


Yup. Scenes of a memory is a double LP as well. I guess anything over the 50min mark you have to do this? Really haven't looked into it, but I shall. :)
To get longer playing times on a side of vinyl they have to make the grooves narrower so they can be packed closer together. There are three ways of doing this, the first is simply to reduced the peak volume level recorded onto the platter, which means the playback will be very quiet and that affects the signal to noise ratio because the noise remains the same but the signal is now reduced - basically you'll hear the surface noise a lot more if they did that. The second way is to apply a lot of compression to the recording to boost the quiet bits so they are not affected by the noise so much, you still get a  quieter playback but at least the noise isn't so bad - but over-compression is over-compression no matter what the recording medium is. The third way is to use combination of filters and EQ to reduce the percussive and other spiky sounds in the recording that result in big excursions in the grooves. In practice mastering engineers use a combination of all three to squeeze more time out of a 12" platter, as a result they sound awful:

It may have lasted a hour, but the compression was so bad it sounded truly dreadful.
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Transatlantic = 3 LP sets - a dbl g/f (album proper) and single sleeve LP (bonus material) in beautiful slip-sleeves.
Yes' 'Magnification' LP is a dbl on purple vinyl occupying 3 of the 4 sides.
Prog on vinyl is awesome


That does sound great. Great asthetics like quality artwork and packaging can go a long way and it is definitely a part of the music listening experience....at least for me. ;)
Glad to hear your happy, Tom.
Prog on. :)
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:


Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:



What do they do in the vinyl versions of the many recent albums which last 70 or 80 minutes? does new vinyl have longer playing duration that the typical 55 or so minutes? do they have to release them as double LPs? or do they ommit tracks? 

 
Dbl LP issues. For example Porcupine Tree FoABP is a dbl LP and includes the Nil Recurring tracks. Marillion's Marbles is a dbl LP. All DT vinyl I have is 2-LP issues.


Yup. Scenes of a memory is a double LP as well. I guess anything over the 50min mark you have to do this? Really haven't looked into it, but I shall. :)
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Transatlantic = 3 LP sets - a dbl g/f (album proper) and single sleeve LP (bonus material) in beautiful slip-sleeves.
Yes' 'Magnification' LP is a dbl on purple vinyl occupying 3 of the 4 sides.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

What do they do in the vinyl versions of the many recent albums which last 70 or 80 minutes? does new vinyl have longer playing duration that the typical 55 or so minutes? do they have to release them as double LPs? or do they ommit tracks?
Dbl LP issues. For example Porcupine Tree FoABP is a dbl LP and includes the Nil Recurring tracks. Marillion's Marbles is a dbl LP. All DT vinyl I have is 2-LP issues.
Thanks. Mmmm, I guess I'm a bit too spoiled by the digital media and I would feel lazy to get up every 20 min to flip the disc for all the music I listen. I still listen to some vinyl now and then (albums which I do not own in CD) but they are a very small minority of my overall listening.
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Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

What do they do in the vinyl versions of the many recent albums which last 70 or 80 minutes? does new vinyl have longer playing duration that the typical 55 or so minutes? do they have to release them as double LPs? or do they ommit tracks? 
 
Dbl LP issues. For example Porcupine Tree FoABP is a dbl LP and includes the Nil Recurring tracks. Marillion's Marbles is a dbl LP. All DT vinyl I have is 2-LP issues.
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What do they do in the vinyl versions of the many recent albums which last 70 or 80 minutes? does new vinyl have longer playing duration that the typical 55 or so minutes? do they have to release them as double LPs? or do they ommit tracks? 
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Well I think it is hard to find any good stuff used nowadays.....People with the collections I think are holding on to them rather than drop them off at a Goodwill store as a donation tax write off or get $0.50ea at a used record store. There is value in those collections now.
 
My local used record store guy has a list from me of stuff to buy if he sees it at an auction or estate sales/auctions. He recently came into about 100 7" reel to reel tapes pre-recorded albums from an estate sale.....He paid $100 for them all and sold about half already at $8-$12 each.....There were some rock albums in there he has gotten $15-20. He is even getting requests to find cassette tapes, what used to sell at GW for $0.25 are now going for $3-5 and more.
 
Its insane at what is going on with vintage used media right now......Hold on to your old stuff if you have it. 
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Haven't bought any new vinyl in almost 25 years, but I did buy some used vinyl that people dumped back then since some of it is collectable...mostly prog and obscure things.
Only buy cd's these days but I still pull out some vinyl and play it now and then for those I don't have on cd.
We have had numerous discussions here about sound quality so I'm not going there  since it's completely subjective.
 
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Well ....in the very early days when cd's came out lots of people sold their used vinyl to various record stores and one could get some nice things cheap but the vinyl hounds soon snapped up all the good stuff. Now it's very very hard to find any obscure prog things at any record store ( at a decent price anyway...) assuming you can even find a decent record store.
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Originally posted by lazygecko lazygecko wrote:

Sorry if you took offense, but that was something brought up in the article. And I was still talking specifically about vinyl, not magnetic tape or whatever. I totally get all the other reasons for why vinyl is popular: the physical product, the large artwork, being a less passive listening experience, etc. But when people start talking about sound quality I think it often gets confusing and leads to misunderstandings.
Terms like "richness" like mentioned in the article, or the more common "warmth", are pretty vague and can mean different things to different people, so I don't find them very useful. I just want to better understand why some people prefer vinyl music in terms of tangible audio quality. It's more about that than opening a can of worms on the larger analog/digital debate, so if you don't want to touch that subject with a ten foot pole then feel free to just ignore what I'm saying.
It's all down to taste. Vinyl does have a poorer performance, that is categorically undeniable, technically provable and subjectively demonstrable, yet people prefer it. People have grown tired from arguing with me on this point, but I'll not change my tune - and I like the sound of vinyl, I buy vinyl occasionally (the last was Kveikur by Sigur Rós), but I'm also an electronics engineer who has been interested in audio design for the past 40 years. The warmth is distortion, another word for it is "tone" - there are other more prosaic words for it but the bottom line is vinyl distorts the audio signal, but in a good way - the warmth is an increase in low-end harmonics - being harmonics they are harmonious with the original signal - they sound good, they add low end resonance to the music and that gives it its warm, sonorous tone. We know what makes audio sound good, it's not magic.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Haven't bought any new vinyl in almost 25 years, but I did buy some used vinyl that people dumped back then since some of it is collectable...mostly prog and obscure things.
Only buy cd's these days but I still pull out some vinyl and play it now and then for those I don't have on cd.
We have had numerous discussions here about sound quality so I'm not going there  since it's completely subjective.
 
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Originally posted by lazygecko lazygecko wrote:

Sorry if you took offense, but that was something brought up in the article. And I was still talking specifically about vinyl, not magnetic tape or whatever. I totally get all the other reasons for why vinyl is popular: the physical product, the large artwork, being a less passive listening experience, etc. But when people start talking about sound quality I think it often gets confusing and leads to misunderstandings.
Terms like "richness" like mentioned in the article, or the more common "warmth", are pretty vague and can mean different things to different people, so I don't find them very useful. I just want to better understand why some people prefer vinyl music in terms of tangible audio quality. It's more about that than opening a can of worms on the larger analog/digital debate, so if you don't want to touch that subject with a ten foot pole then feel free to just ignore what I'm saying.
 
No offense taken....sorry if I came off rough Big smile. All sound quality is subjective, regardless of format or media used....There are toooooo many variables to make a definitive arguement one way or the other or to set a baseline.
 
I have said before, its just like the basis of this website, 100% subjective, there are many reasons why people like a certain artist and why they do not.....We all hear different things and the debate will go on forever.
 
As I am sure you know there are tons of audio specific websites that discuss the topic, this site is not the place. Its a lot of good reading and you learn a lot regardless of your own opinion.
 
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