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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2014 at 06:55
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Great comments about The Wall. When I was about 21 that album was the most important thing to me in the universe. I honestly believe that I wouldn't be here typing my nonsense but for that album and Roger Waters. Someone has to tell it as it is.


The same could apply to me. I had the Wall before I got into Rush, Genesis et al... I was 13 and had no idea what prog rock was. I just knew that I liked music that most of my friends didn't like and I couldn't work out why..

I may not have gotten into other prog rock bands had it not been for Floyd.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2014 at 06:17
When I hear anything from art critics in general, regardless of his branch or specialty, I indeed can't afford to keep my attention to that - unfortunately? I actually don't know - I feel them excessively complex to the edge of boring explanation...  


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2014 at 17:45
The "critics" never really meant anything to me, and like someone said, i don't think i have read any of their reviews since the 80s.
                 I have always hated Rolling Stone magazine, mainly for their lack of focus and understanding of European artists.
                      They really pissed me off with their lame excuse for a review of Quatermass's brilliant debut album. Typical.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2014 at 16:51
Great comments about The Wall. When I was about 21 that album was the most important thing to me in the universe. I honestly believe that I wouldn't be here typing my nonsense but for that album and Roger Waters. Someone has to tell it as it is.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2014 at 12:23
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I think Roger Waters said Animals got fairly bad reviews, one reviewer calling it 'warmed over heavy metal'

Keith Emerson once said that ELP were referred to as a heavy metal band by one music hack.

I think music journalists are generally to be ignored.
 
Honestly, compared to what "Animals" was before it became "Animals" two or three years earlier, it deserved the warmed over something or other. But it wasn't that bad, and it should not have been given those words, and the concerts showed that the reviewers were quite wrong!
 
Music journalists are PEOPLE. And the ones at the LA Times, loved to show off their favorites and trash everyone else. They were all experts on The Who and Led Zeppelin and Rolling Stones, but their music tastes after that tended into the area of ... cheap and trash music!
 
A lot of this came to a head when the FM radio coming up, was playing more music than they knew or wanted to discuss, since they had not heard the new stuff enough to know where to go piss and poop. But there were some folks that helped. It's hard to think that Jim Ladd in LA was not major for Pink Floyd, BEFORE the Dark Side.days. But even at that time, Roger already did not care what reviewers said, and later you know how he reacted to things in the "Radio Kaos" thing.
 
The Wall, by the way, also got some bad reviews early, and when the movie came out, all of a sudden, it was great. And then the album hit really big. But it took a couple of months for it to take hold, and in LA, they were playing only two songs (Hey You and Comfortably Numb) until some time later when the other song became a radio hit -- We Don't Need no Education. And from that point on, there were some pundits in LA that thought the whole thing pretentious, but their voice lost its strength given the numbers, the sales and everything else. The 4 shows at the Sports Arena were sold out in like 20 minutes! A totally insane number.
 
So who needs "critics" when they only like crap anyway?
 
It's the same here, really, and you have to put a little salt or sugar on things, and you must remember that it is about YOU, and your listening ability and less about what I or anyone else says.
 
However, you have to know the "inner truth" to know what someone is saying, because not everyone is talking crap! And this is where "fans" get lost in the translation and advertising!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2014 at 10:47
Let us recognize at least one reviewer, for fairness--Chris Welch, late of Melody Maker.

But perhaps we have strayed from the topic. No surprise to anyone here that mainstream rock criticism has had it in for prog since early on.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2014 at 09:36
Originally posted by jude111 jude111 wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,
 
The long cuts from 1970 to 1972 and 1973 got pasted by the press regularly, and it was considered by many to be over done and not musical, because it did not follow the top ten blues/song format that the corporate kissing magazines were supporting!
 
As such Yes, got a terrible licking for Tales from Topographic Oceans, and it was one of the best thigns ever written in rock music! Jethro Tull took just as much abuse for "A Passion Play" which is a prophetic work in terms of its analogies to the history of music and rock specially. And many others fell into the same thing to the point that everything had to be 4 minutes long, specially when the FM radio in America got bought out by the corporations that alread owned the music distribution circles.
 
A lot of the European scene got terribly pasted in the American press. England had a more interesting attitude about European music, but the hippocrisy never stopped. But Melody Maker one day even said that Tangerine Dream sounded like Washing machine music, and of course, that told you that they were stoned senseless, to the point that they did not even know what a washing machine sounded like! But we didn't give a sh*t, enough, to put those morons in their place! But the joke is on them ... their favorite kissypoo rock bands are not remembered and a lot of the other stuff they hated ... there it is!
 
It's one of the saddest and hippocritical things about life ... we never appreciate things HERE AND NOW ... we always love something else, and ignore our own children, and thus the arts for their day, never arrives! We're too damn selfish to even spend time understanding that and seeing things in a more historical vein. The 70's became the greed is good generation, and their kids, are the ones that picked up the progressive music where their parents left it off!
 
 


Some good stuff here. One of the good things about the internet is that it's broken the hegemony of the corporate music press, in which a handful of critics and magazines decided what was "good" and what wasn't. I remember when the American music critics were pushing Tom Petty, Jackson Browne, and Bob Seger as the saviors of rock music. (American music critics tended very strongly to promote American music. I believe this still continues, on sites like Pitchfork and others, if to a lesser extent.) I pretty much had no use for them from that point on. Those critics became the dinosaurs they accused bands like Yes and Floyd of being. Poetic justice indeed.
The inane  New York clique of critics, like Robert Christgau and the imbeciles at Rolling Stone were pushing their agenda very early on and were extremely negative about Prog music (as Mosh mentioned Jethro Tull regularly received scathing reviews). But even someone who now commands much respect in the rock world like Neil Young got horrible reviews for albums like Harvest and After the Gold Rush.
 
Humorously, after vilifying Neil in their magazine, Rolling Stone later gave both albums 5 stars in their ratings books -- because the rag spends most of its time trying to rewrite rock history, ignoring its own lunacy with a revisionism that equates to publisher Jann Wenner's need to include only bands he approves of in his b*****dized Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Hence, rap bands, the Jacksons, ABBA and other pop performers who were never considered specifically "rock" bands are enshrined, while Yes, King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Deep Purple and The Moody Blues are not. Which is profoundly f***** up.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2014 at 08:51
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I think the last time I read a music review in a magazine was in the 80's. All reviews are subjective of course, but I'd take more notice of the opinions of someone on Progarchives, then some pretentious pr!ck at the Guardian who's probably more concerned with appearing to be cool than trying to be objective about the music.
It was the mid-1970s for me.  That dumbass with the LA Times who thought Bruce Springsteen was God's gift to music, and that any fictitious named bands (e.g., all prog groups) were to be avoided like the plague, was my reason to never trust a mass-media music reviewer of prog every again...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2014 at 05:32
Originally posted by alienshore alienshore wrote:

my favourite band Toto is the most hated band in the world, and the critics gave them poor ratings and classified them as a boring and uninteresting band ...
very sad and i think also funny, because these critics don't know to play on instruments like Mr. Paich or Mr. Lukather, they only hated their music and this is really amateurish and unconstructive approach

rating on album Mindfields from Allmusic is terrible from my point of view

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindfields

you shouldn't be that mad about it
also, "because these critics don't know to play on instruments" is not really a valid argument 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2014 at 13:08
Panned them, and how. With the exception of Days, none of their classic albums made it to the 2/5 or higher range. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2014 at 13:01
Originally posted by KingCrInuYasha KingCrInuYasha wrote:

The New Rolling Stone Album Guide with the Moody Blues 1967 - 1972 period.
don't have the book....do they pan them or praise them..?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2014 at 12:46
The New Rolling Stone Album Guide with the Moody Blues 1967 - 1972 period.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2014 at 11:24
Originally posted by ole-the-first ole-the-first wrote:

Underrated:
-Black Sabbath's 'Born Again'. I never could get what was so bad in that album all the critics were sh*tthrowing about?
-'Queen II' was met pretty cold by critics.

Overrated:
-Just look at this: http://www.allmusic.com/album/believe-mw0002357910





Yeah!  I love Born Again too!!  Awesome work-out album.Headbanger
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2014 at 11:04
Emerson, Lake & Powell got slammed back in the day.
Not long ago, my msn homepage had a "biggest surprise winner" type of story regarding the Grammys, and they mentioned Tull's "Crest of a Knave" as undeserving next to "And Justice For All".

Actually I think they got it right.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2013 at 11:38
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^Maybe you're like me? Without a driver's license. Most of his songs seem to be about driving - or some kind of roadLOL
I have a drivers license being old school , ....but many of his songs are about the American scene and the working class, and their struggle, which is fine but it simply doesn't interest me.

Same for me.  My wife bought me a biography of him last Christmas and I just started reading it last week.  After a few nights I gave up halfway through because I just couldn't relate to him and what he was all about.  The book was strange, as a teenager they claimed he was a Jeff Beck skill level guitar player then he got his 1st recording contract as a Bob Dylan singer-songwriter unaccompanied acoustic player kind of guy, then he brought his old buddies in and that became the horn based rocking E Street band and he was "The Boss".  That's when I decided I'd rather play I-pad Scrabble than read this silliness LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2013 at 11:14
No I like people who get caught up in a stream of thinkingSmile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2013 at 11:08
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

^Maybe you're like me? Without a driver's license. Most of his songs seem to be about driving - or some kind of roadLOL

It's probably something only (some) Americans (not me! :-) find appealing. Springsteen, the guy from New Jersey who lived a little too close for comfort to the mean old NY City "jungleland," and wanting to find freedom by jumping into his Chevy, hitting the highway and not stopping till hitting "Nebraska." Probably his music is more a critique than a celebration of this migration out of the cities. Much of America, or at least white America, made the same trek to the suburbs and exurbs to try to escape (blacks) er cities. JP Sartre wrote some essays about his visit to America, and he wrote that Americans really live in their cars, and abandon their homes on the slightest pretext. (His essay on Detroit as a shiny new city birthed overnight and likely to be abandoned at some point seem esp. poignant considering its postapocalyptic decline and bankruptcy. Expect Cheney's Halliburton to come swooping in from their headquarters in Qatar to help oversee its "reconstruction.") Marshall McLuhan wrote, "America's contribution to Architecture is the Highway." I guess Springsteen's music charts this to some extent. The hopes and dreams of his protagonists are victims of these historical and economic processes, but given ideological coatings as "yearning for freedom and the American Dream" bull****... Okay I'll shut up now, haha.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2013 at 11:03
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

^Maybe you're like me? Without a driver's license. Most of his songs seem to be about driving - or some kind of roadLOL
I have a drivers license being old school , ....but many of his songs are about the American scene and the working class, and their struggle, which is fine but it simply doesn't interest me.


I used to be a big fan back when I was 10, but I never got around to purchasing anything from him. Didn't stick.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2013 at 11:00
Originally posted by jude111 jude111 wrote:


Snob. LOL

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Originally posted by jude111 jude111 wrote:


Seriosly, millions of (pre?)teenage girls would disagree with you. And why isn't their appreciation valid, or our appreciation for prog or a macho band like Black Sabbath more valid than theirs? We certainly don't have the high ground, considering the bollocking that prog music gets.

Well, I wouldn't mind if someone is listening to Coldplay or Avril Lavigne or any other easy-listening pop/rock. But when it come to Bieber, it really looks like those girls are more amazed with his appearance than with music actually.

Originally posted by jude111 jude111 wrote:


We're still far from gender equality when music women like tends to be so easily dismissed and ridiculed.

Agreed. Maybe, some sexual context is hidden here? I mean, maybe males are subconciously tend to take those guys the girls are mad about as their personal rivals?

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I like AllMusic because it doesn't champion one genre over another

Yeah, this is one of the better sides of AllMusic.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2013 at 10:56
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

^Maybe you're like me? Without a driver's license. Most of his songs seem to be about driving - or some kind of roadLOL
I have a drivers license being old school , ....but many of his songs are about the American scene and the working class, and their struggle, which is fine but it simply doesn't interest me.
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