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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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The same could apply to me. I had the Wall before I got into Rush, Genesis et al... I was 13 and had no idea what prog rock was. I just knew that I liked music that most of my friends didn't like and I couldn't work out why.. ![]() I may not have gotten into other prog rock bands had it not been for Floyd. |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Rick Robson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 03 2013 Location: Rio de Janeiro Status: Offline Points: 1607 |
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When I hear anything from art critics in general, regardless of his branch or specialty, I indeed can't afford to keep my attention to that - unfortunately? I actually don't know - I feel them excessively complex to the edge of boring explanation...
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![]() "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
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presdoug ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 24 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 8809 |
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The "critics" never really meant anything to me, and like someone said, i don't think i have read any of their reviews since the 80s.
I have always hated Rolling Stone magazine, mainly for their lack of focus and understanding of European artists. They really pissed me off with their lame excuse for a review of Quatermass's brilliant debut album. Typical. |
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 30012 |
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Great comments about The Wall. When I was about 21 that album was the most important thing to me in the universe. I honestly believe that I wouldn't be here typing my nonsense but for that album and Roger Waters. Someone has to tell it as it is.
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Online Points: 18395 |
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Honestly, compared to what "Animals" was before it became "Animals" two or three years earlier, it deserved the warmed over something or other. But it wasn't that bad, and it should not have been given those words, and the concerts showed that the reviewers were quite wrong!
Music journalists are PEOPLE. And the ones at the LA Times, loved to show off their favorites and trash everyone else. They were all experts on The Who and Led Zeppelin and Rolling Stones, but their music tastes after that tended into the area of ... cheap and trash music!
A lot of this came to a head when the FM radio coming up, was playing more music than they knew or wanted to discuss, since they had not heard the new stuff enough to know where to go piss and poop. But there were some folks that helped. It's hard to think that Jim Ladd in LA was not major for Pink Floyd, BEFORE the Dark Side.days. But even at that time, Roger already did not care what reviewers said, and later you know how he reacted to things in the "Radio Kaos" thing.
The Wall, by the way, also got some bad reviews early, and when the movie came out, all of a sudden, it was great. And then the album hit really big. But it took a couple of months for it to take hold, and in LA, they were playing only two songs (Hey You and Comfortably Numb) until some time later when the other song became a radio hit -- We Don't Need no Education. And from that point on, there were some pundits in LA that thought the whole thing pretentious, but their voice lost its strength given the numbers, the sales and everything else. The 4 shows at the Sports Arena were sold out in like 20 minutes! A totally insane number.
So who needs "critics" when they only like crap anyway?
It's the same here, really, and you have to put a little salt or sugar on things, and you must remember that it is about YOU, and your listening ability and less about what I or anyone else says.
However, you have to know the "inner truth" to know what someone is saying, because not everyone is talking crap! And this is where "fans" get lost in the translation and advertising!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Bitterblogger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 04 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1719 |
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Let us recognize at least one reviewer, for fairness--Chris Welch, late of Melody Maker.
But perhaps we have strayed from the topic. No surprise to anyone here that mainstream rock criticism has had it in for prog since early on. |
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13321 |
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Humorously, after vilifying Neil in their magazine, Rolling Stone later gave both albums 5 stars in their ratings books -- because the rag spends most of its time trying to rewrite rock history, ignoring its own lunacy with a revisionism that equates to publisher Jann Wenner's need to include only bands he approves of in his b*****dized Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Hence, rap bands, the Jacksons, ABBA and other pop performers who were never considered specifically "rock" bands are enshrined, while Yes, King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Deep Purple and The Moody Blues are not. Which is profoundly f***** up. Edited by The Dark Elf - January 26 2014 at 11:04 |
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
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prog4evr ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 22 2005 Location: Wuhan, China Status: Offline Points: 1455 |
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It was the mid-1970s for me. That dumbass with the LA Times who thought Bruce Springsteen was God's gift to music, and that any fictitious named bands (e.g., all prog groups) were to be avoided like the plague, was my reason to never trust a mass-media music reviewer of prog every again...
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Earthmover ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 03 2012 Status: Offline Points: 1509 |
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you shouldn't be that mad about it also, "because these critics don't know to play on instruments" is not really a valid argument
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KingCrInuYasha ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 26 2010 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 1281 |
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Panned them, and how. With the exception of Days, none of their classic albums made it to the 2/5 or higher range.
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He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball!
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20696 |
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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KingCrInuYasha ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 26 2010 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 1281 |
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The New Rolling Stone Album Guide with the Moody Blues 1967 - 1972 period.
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He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball!
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Finnforest ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 17437 |
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Yeah! I love Born Again too!! Awesome work-out album. ![]() |
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Bitterblogger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 04 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1719 |
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Emerson, Lake & Powell got slammed back in the day.
Not long ago, my msn homepage had a "biggest surprise winner" type of story regarding the Grammys, and they mentioned Tull's "Crest of a Knave" as undeserving next to "And Justice For All". Actually I think they got it right. |
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The.Crimson.King ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 29 2013 Location: WA Status: Offline Points: 4596 |
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Same for me. My wife bought me a biography of him last Christmas and I just started reading it last week. After a few nights I gave up halfway through because I just couldn't relate to him and what he was all about. The book was strange, as a teenager they claimed he was a Jeff Beck skill level guitar player then he got his 1st recording contract as a Bob Dylan singer-songwriter unaccompanied acoustic player kind of guy, then he brought his old buddies in and that became the horn based rocking E Street band and he was "The Boss". That's when I decided I'd rather play I-pad Scrabble than read this silliness
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Guldbamsen ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23107 |
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No I like people who get caught up in a stream of thinking
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
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jude111 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 20 2009 Location: Not Here Status: Offline Points: 1754 |
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It's probably something only (some) Americans (not me! :-) find appealing. Springsteen, the guy from New Jersey who lived a little too close for comfort to the mean old NY City "jungleland," and wanting to find freedom by jumping into his Chevy, hitting the highway and not stopping till hitting "Nebraska." Probably his music is more a critique than a celebration of this migration out of the cities. Much of America, or at least white America, made the same trek to the suburbs and exurbs to try to escape (blacks) er cities. JP Sartre wrote some essays about his visit to America, and he wrote that Americans really live in their cars, and abandon their homes on the slightest pretext. (His essay on Detroit as a shiny new city birthed overnight and likely to be abandoned at some point seem esp. poignant considering its postapocalyptic decline and bankruptcy. Expect Cheney's Halliburton to come swooping in from their headquarters in Qatar to help oversee its "reconstruction.") Marshall McLuhan wrote, "America's contribution to Architecture is the Highway." I guess Springsteen's music charts this to some extent. The hopes and dreams of his protagonists are victims of these historical and economic processes, but given ideological coatings as "yearning for freedom and the American Dream" bull****... Okay I'll shut up now, haha.
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Guldbamsen ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23107 |
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I used to be a big fan back when I was 10, but I never got around to purchasing anything from him. Didn't stick.
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
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ole-the-first ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 03 2012 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 1534 |
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Well, I wouldn't mind if someone is listening to Coldplay or Avril Lavigne or any other easy-listening pop/rock. But when it come to Bieber, it really looks like those girls are more amazed with his appearance than with music actually.
Agreed. Maybe, some sexual context is hidden here? I mean, maybe males are subconciously tend to take those guys the girls are mad about as their personal rivals?
Yeah, this is one of the better sides of AllMusic. |
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20696 |
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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